That is what I have heard? Anyone?

Yes...the head coach sent out an e-mail earlier today saying he had resigned.

Yes, sounds like parents ran him off.

Coach Holbrook sent out an email earlier on the coaches list serve saying he resigned. Also, included was the survey that was sent to parents of the players, which had parents critique the coaching staff. A parent contracted a company that is used to make companies run more efficiently. They created and had parents take the survey. Bad situation, IMO.

I had heard simlilar things. I would agree a bad situation. I think Coach Holbrook was doing a good job building that program the right way and was getting the most out of the players he had. They have been a little short on talent the past couple years which has hurt their wins, but he was doing a good job. I guess when parents feel they have more say so than the coach, it can get ugly. I might try to ask around and get some more information about this "survey".

Its just the world we live in, I guess. Does sound bad? Another good coach resigning, hopefully he will find a school that appreciates its coaches.

I'm not a coach so perhaps that's why I don't see it the way that some other posters do. Maybe it's polly annish of me (and having offered up the possibility of it being such, I'm sure some will take up the suggestion), but wouldn't a coach want to know the thoughts of the parents? He might not like what he reads and he might not agree with what the parents are thinking, but one can't address the thoughts and concerns of his players' parents unless he knows what the parents are thinking.

 

I saw the survey form. It was very professionally done and asked questions in a very mature and constructive manner.

 

Face it, to be successful in high school football, it is imperative that the parents get involved in some aspects of the program, be it fundraising, cooking pre game meals, etc. Parental support is also need to encourage the kids to make every practice, every weight lifting session, every conditioning session, etc. Without enthusiastic parents, its much harder to have enthusiastic players. Furthermore, as we've all seen in certain situations as of late, disgruntled and grumbling parents can totally undermine a coaching staff. If I was a head coach, I'd want to know the thoughts and concerns of my players' parents so I could address those thoughts and concerns. Parents providing their thoughts and concerns to the coaches is fine with me as long as it is done in a mature, responsible and reasonable manner. I'd rather they tell me directly what's on their minds then go around the community bad mouthing me or my staff.

 

I can't speak of every thing that has happened at SO, as I don't know much about it. My comments are meant to be taken in general about parents sharing their thoughts and concerns and the survey form used in this case.

Edited December 18, 200916 yr by leatherneck

If I was a head coach, I'd want to know the thoughts and concerns of my players' parents so I could address those thoughts and concerns. Parents providing their thoughts and concerns to the coaches is fine with me as long as it is done in a mature, responsible and reasonable manner. Id' rather they tell me directly what's on their minds then go around the community bad mouthing me or my staff.

I believe the saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" pertains here.

I'm not a coach so perhaps that's why I don't see it the way that some otehr posters do. Maybe it's polly annish of me (and having offered up the possibility of it being such, I'm sure some will take up the suggestion), but wouldn't a coach want to know the thoughts of the parents? He might not like what he reads and he might not agree with what the parents are thinking, but one can't address the thoughts and concerns of his players' parents unless he knows what the parents are thinking.

 

I saw the survey form. It was very professionally done and asked questions in a very mature and constructive manner.

 

Face it, to be successful in high school football, it is imperative that the parents get involved in some aspects of the program, be it fundraising, cooking pre game meals, etc. Parental support is also need to encourage the kids to make every practice, every weight lifting session, every conditioning session, etc. Without enthusiastic parents, its much harder to have enthusiastic players. Furthermore, as we've all seen in certain situations as of late, disgruntled and grumbling parents can totally undermine a coaching staff. If I was a head coach, I'd want to know the thoughts and concerns of my players' parents so I could address those thoughts and concerns. Parents providing their thoughts and concerns to the coaches is fine with me as long as it is done in a mature, responsible and reasonable manner. Id' rather they tell me directly what's on their minds then go around the community bad mouthing me or my staff.

 

I can't speak of every thing that has happened at SO, as I don't know much about it. My comments are meant to be taken in general about parents sharing their thoughts and concerns and the survey form used in this case.

It is a no win situation, they would not be honest in a survey anyway unless it was anonymous. If you have a bad season, there will be grumbling. If you think Highlands, or St. X (just 2 ex) goes 3-7 next year, that there would not be some rumblings? Just the world we live in as coaches.

I'm not a coach so perhaps that's why I don't see it the way that some otehr posters do. Maybe it's polly annish of me (and having offered up the possibility of it being such, I'm sure some will take up the suggestion), but wouldn't a coach want to know the thoughts of the parents? He might not like what he reads and he might not agree with what the parents are thinking, but one can't address the thoughts and concerns of his players' parents unless he knows what the parents are thinking.

 

I saw the survey form. It was very professionally done and asked questions in a very mature and constructive manner.

 

Face it, to be successful in high school football, it is imperative that the parents get involved in some aspects of the program, be it fundraising, cooking pre game meals, etc. Parental support is also need to encourage the kids to make every practice, every weight lifting session, every conditioning session, etc. Without enthusiastic parents, its much harder to have enthusiastic players. Furthermore, as we've all seen in certain situations as of late, disgruntled and grumbling parents can totally undermine a coaching staff. If I was a head coach, I'd want to know the thoughts and concerns of my players' parents so I could address those thoughts and concerns. Parents providing their thoughts and concerns to the coaches is fine with me as long as it is done in a mature, responsible and reasonable manner. Id' rather they tell me directly what's on their minds then go around the community bad mouthing me or my staff.

 

I can't speak of every thing that has happened at SO, as I don't know much about it. My comments are meant to be taken in general about parents sharing their thoughts and concerns and the survey form used in this case.

 

Well I can see where you are coming from BUT we all know that the opinions that parents have to offer are going to served up regardless! Survey or no survey, parents these days are far too open with their opinions and they (unfortunately) never seem to be unbiased! Hmm. Once again, the parents rarely consider what the best decision is in regards to the ENTIRE team that the coach should know much better (since they spend alot of time together). How many parents can observe a group of 30, 40, 50 kids working together and how they relate (respond) to each other in an organized effort like football practice and games? The "lynch mobs" that a single parent can assemble after a single bad performance or a run of games lost can be ridiculous. There are going to be seasons where everyone expects a State Championship run (usually when said parent's child is a senior star) that just doesn't happen. Could be due to injuries, bad weather, bad calls, maybe bad play calling BUT NEVER because the team "just does not play well"! You might work on full contact tackling 3 days a week and still get into a game and have players miss tackles, whose fault is that? You work on pass skelly 3 times a week and a receiver runs the wrong route and the QB throws a pick, bad play call or bad execution? All these things can be construed the wrong way and could cause the Parental Lynch Mob (PLM) to "mount up"!

 

Just my .02 !:idunno:

I'm pretty sure that a parent didn't contact a survey company to give constructive criticism.

I would have to agree with that TheLegend. I have heard that it was only given to a select number of parents and not every parent. I would venture to guess that the only parents who received it, were the ones doing all the complaining.

I'm not a coach so perhaps that's why I don't see it the way that some other posters do. Maybe it's polly annish of me (and having offered up the possibility of it being such, I'm sure some will take up the suggestion), but wouldn't a coach want to know the thoughts of the parents? He might not like what he reads and he might not agree with what the parents are thinking, but one can't address the thoughts and concerns of his players' parents unless he knows what the parents are thinking.

 

I saw the survey form. It was very professionally done and asked questions in a very mature and constructive manner.

 

Face it, to be successful in high school football, it is imperative that the parents get involved in some aspects of the program, be it fundraising, cooking pre game meals, etc. Parental support is also need to encourage the kids to make every practice, every weight lifting session, every conditioning session, etc. Without enthusiastic parents, its much harder to have enthusiastic players. Furthermore, as we've all seen in certain situations as of late, disgruntled and grumbling parents can totally undermine a coaching staff. If I was a head coach, I'd want to know the thoughts and concerns of my players' parents so I could address those thoughts and concerns. Parents providing their thoughts and concerns to the coaches is fine with me as long as it is done in a mature, responsible and reasonable manner. I'd rather they tell me directly what's on their minds then go around the community bad mouthing me or my staff.

 

I can't speak of every thing that has happened at SO, as I don't know much about it. My comments are meant to be taken in general about parents sharing their thoughts and concerns and the survey form used in this case.

 

Having had the opportunity to see the survey, I would have to disagree wih you. Parents should not have a say on the "on-field " performance of a coach, a say on how he uses talent,a say on if his offensive scheme/ gameplan was effective. I know that you weren't privy to the survey, so I know you wouldn't know that those were some of the survey questions.

Just think these questions were out-of-bounds if you ask me.

Edited December 18, 200916 yr by Maroon Fan
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The obligation of a parent is to support their child and their team. It seems part of the problem roots in the attitudes of some parents. If you constantly talk badly about a coach, it puts the kid in a bind. Should I listen to mom and dad or the coach? This leads to disention. When parents overstep their bounds it sends the wrong message to their kids. Bobby Bowden once said, "if I won every game I had ever coached, I would have developed absolutley no character. Those who have no character wilt when things get tough." What kind of character are we teaching our kids, when it gets tough complain until there is change? Not with my kids and not in my book. Just my thoughts.

The obligation of a parent is to support their child and their team. It seems part of the problem roots in the attitudes of some parents. If you constantly talk badly about a coach, it puts the kid in a bind. Should I listen to mom and dad or the coach? This leads to disention. When parents overstep their bounds it sends the wrong message to their kids. Bobby Bowden once said, "if I won every game I had ever coached, I would have developed absolutley no character. Those who have no character wilt when things get tough." What kind of character are we teaching our kids, when it gets tough complain until there is change? Not with my kids and not in my book. Just my thoughts.

 

That is a great quote! And I absolutely agree.