I'm also against the rule that prohibits out-of-state students from playing for Kentucky schools. Paducah has a Catholic school, St. Mary, that usually has a handful of students from Illinois. Christian Fellowship, in Marshall County, has had students from Illinois and Tennessee in the past. Those students attended those schools because there were no private schools in closer proximity to their home. They weren't there for athletic reasons, but they enjoyed the same privilige of competing in athletics as any other student.

 

But, nothing should entitle them to experience the benefit of Kentucky athletics. They pay tuition only to a private school. There is no other support for this. If the private school supporters wish to claim "we pay taxes too" and there is some validity to that statement, then to be fair, for those that do not contribute one dime, should not have any benefit at all.

But, nothing should entitle them to experience the benefit of Kentucky athletics. They pay tuition only to a private school. There is no other support for this. If the private school supporters wish to claim "we pay taxes too" and there is some validity to that statement, then to be fair, for those that do not contribute one dime, should not have any benefit at all.

 

Not so...The school itself is paying for its membership in the KHSAA, which entitles all its students to the benefits of Kentucky athletics.

Not so...The school itself is paying for its membership in the KHSAA, which entitles all its students to the benefits of Kentucky athletics.

 

Which is exactly why the proposal for out of state students be reintroduced and passed. Right now, they enter through a very unfair loophole. And such loophole should be closed.

I have family in Iraq and I hold everyone around me accountable, everyday and I support public education. So, I ask you - who are "you people" vs. our people. What right do you have to category anyone to you comfort level. What are you really saying between the lines you write? You ask "how many times are the public schools going to shoot themselves in the head?" I will now ask you to post what prior times has this happened (public schools shoot themselves in the head). It will be very interesting to hear your answers.

 

 

Question1 to What are you really saying between the lines you write?

Answer 1: the truth. It is hard to accept and many people can not accept it.

 

Question 2: How many times are the public schools going to shoot themselves in the head?

Answer 2: I can see where you couldn't understand this. I meant to say how many times are they going to TRY to shoot themselves in the head. They bring the Public/Private separation up every year and that is fine.

 

Question 3: What is you people?

Answer 3: You people, the ones that think this is going to help public schools to gain an advantage. Read what I said please about the subject.

 

I have a question for you. Do you hold everyone around you accountable for your actions? If you say yes, then you fall in the irresponsible column.

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Which is exactly why the proposal for out of state students be reintroduced and passed. Right now, they enter through a very unfair loophole. And such loophole should be closed.

 

Unfair to whom...you and your personal vision of fairness or the student from the adjoining state, who wishes to attend a private school but has none proximal to him in his own state?

Not so...The school itself is paying for its membership in the KHSAA, which entitles all its students to the benefits of Kentucky athletics.

 

 

Good Point, :walk:

Unfair to whom...you and your personal vision of fairness or the student from the adjoining state, who wishes to attend a private school but has none proximal to him in his own state?

 

 

this is where the "whine" should be served to the private school "victim" debate. It is not the responsibility of the state or any state and its agencies to provide for those not residing in the state. So what if there are no schools in their home state area. That is not Kentucky's issue or concern and it should not be. I see it as a huge advantage. It is one thing to say to the public schools, do a better job and get the kids to come to your school vs. a private school but it is very different and unfair to say, even if you do a good job, you cannot get the kid because he does not even live in the state.

 

I have a question for you. Do you hold everyone around you accountable for your actions? If you say yes, then you fall in the irresponsible column.

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I hold everyone responsible for their actions, how you can misunderstand to read accountable for other actions, that is an issue of thinking you need to work on for yourself. :thumb:

Unfair to whom...you and your personal vision of fairness or the student from the adjoining state, who wishes to attend a private school but has none proximal to him in his own state?

 

How interesting on one hand the "we pay taxes too" now does not apply but claim an out of state should be allowed if there are no private schools in that particular area. Still, as pointed out, Kentucky is not in the business to provide other state residents features with the taxes we all pay, except the out of state. At least be consistent with positions.

The "Private Schools" do NOT get support of any kind from the government. NONE. NODDA. ZIP. ZILCH.

 

So where do you public school guys think the money to run the private schools comes from? It comes from the tuition the student pays to attend that school. Most of which is paid by parents just like you and me who simply want the best for their kids.

 

The average school teacher in a private school accepts 20% to 30% less for their annual salary than that of their Public School counterpart. They don’t have a pension plan and some don’t have health benefits. They rely on their spouses for benefits. This isn’t a complaint. It’s merely a statement about a conscience decision they each make because of their beliefs in the private system in which they choose to teach. Would you accept the exact same job you are doing today for less money because of your beliefs?

 

You folks call it recruiting. I’m sorry for your interpretation; but it’s Marketing. It has to be done in order to survive. We don’t have the cushey coffers of the State Government to fall back on when ever a program needs to be added; or a building needs to be built. We can’t go pass a State Bill in the House and/or Senate to raise taxes to give teachers better salaries; or better pensions; or health insurance. The money has to be raised to support the school and it's programs. That just happens to include sports. I for one am very glad it does.

 

The sad thing about this whole thread/debate is that this is the adults arguing about sports. What is the main purpose of any school? THE EDUCATION OF OUR KIDS INSIDE. If this kind of time and effort was spent on improving the public school systems, think about what we could get done as a nation?

 

So go ahead; put the Private Schools down for being able to do both, by creating a positive educational environment and an outstanding sports program and all for far less dollars than the Public Schools. We’ve got big shoulders we can carry the load. We’ve been doing it for years and we'll continue to do it for years to come. Just try to stop us.

 

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The "Private Schools" do NOT get support of any kind from the government. NONE. NODDA. ZIP. ZILCH.

 

So where do you public school guys think the money to run the private schools comes from? It comes from the tuition the student pays to attend that school. Most of which is paid by parents just like you and me who simply want the best for their kids.

 

The average school teacher in a private school accepts 20% to 30% less for their annual salary than that of their Public School counterpart. They don’t have a pension plan and some don’t have health benefits. They rely on their spouses for benefits. This isn’t a complaint. It’s merely a statement about a conscience decision they each make because of their beliefs in the private system in which they choose to teach. Would you accept the exact same job you are doing today for less money because of your beliefs?

 

You folks call it recruiting. I’m sorry for your interpretation; but it’s Marketing. It has to be done in order to survive. We don’t have the cushey coffers of the State Government to fall back on when ever a program needs to be added; or a building needs to be built. We can’t go pass a State Bill in the House and/or Senate to raise taxes to give teachers better salaries; or better pensions; or health insurance. The money has to be raised to support the school and it's programs. That just happens to include sports. I for one am very glad it does.

 

The sad thing about this whole thread/debate is that this is the adults arguing about sports. What is the main purpose of any school? THE EDUCATION OF OUR KIDS INSIDE. If this kind of time and effort was spent on improving the public school systems, think about what we could get done as a nation?

 

So go ahead; put the Private Schools down for being able to do both, by creating a positive educational environment and an outstanding sports program and all for far less dollars than the Public Schools. We’ve got big shoulders we can carry the load. We’ve been doing it for years and we'll continue to do it for years to come. Just try to stop us.

 

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You have no clue.

You have no clue.

Tell us where he is incorrect.

As I have said in past threads there are points to both sides. Public schools could keep up with private schools if they could get rid of their "undesirables" the same way private schools do. Much if not most public school money is spent on those "undesirables". Special Ed. teachers, self contained rooms, alternative programs, security guards, extra personel for hallway control. ect. ect.

 

As for the comment about spend the same amount of energy on improving public schools, that is exactly what they are doing with all of these programs. The one thing that private schools have learned is that when classrooms are filled with students who want to learn, more learning can occur. Public schools are doing the same by creating these extra programs.

 

Once again I will repead my earllier post.

 

Public schools must admit that they can be as successful as private school.

 

But

 

Private schools must admit that they dp have an advantage.

 

And seperating private and public schools in competition is not the answer.

Tell us where he is incorrect.

 

Virtually every point and ASSUMPTION being made. Should be fairly clear.

Comparing private schools to public schools is like comparing apples to oranges. So the question becomes do you want two totally different types of athletic programs competing together for one state title?

 

I look at it this way. The state football (and all sports but basketball) are seperated into classes because there is a recognized advantage in having bigger schools and more students. To offset this advantage, schools are grouped together in similiar enrollments.

 

Baseball in Kentucky is not seperated into class. As a matter of fact, Kentucky is one of a couple of states that still do not seperate baseball into class based on school size.

So, yes we need to seperate ALL sports into class; and seperate public and private. But I won't argue with anyone over it, because it is going to take care of itself sooner or later (see Lexington)