October 2, 200916 yr Federal government bans religious references on ornaments for 2009 Capitol Christmas Tree “Banning Christmas from the Capitol Christmas tree is just absurd. Christian students shouldn’t be discriminated against for expressing their religious beliefs,” said ADF Litigation Staff Counsel Jonathan Scruggs. “The First Amendment does not allow government officials to exclude schoolchildren’s ornaments for the capitol’s Christmas tree merely because they communicate a religious viewpoint.” On behalf of a mother whose son strongly desires to submit three ornaments for the tree, ADF attorneys sent a letter to state and federal officials demanding that they abandon the prohibition of religious viewpoints so that the child may participate in the unique opportunity. One of the ornaments will read “Merry Christmas,” another will say “Happy Birthday, Jesus,” and the third will portray a manger scene with the baby Jesus. Each of these ornaments will also honor Arizona, using as a theme the state’s history, geography, or motto, “Ditat Deus,” which means “God Enriches.” ADF attorneys indicate in the letter that they will take legal action if officials do not comply by October 4, the day before the deadline to submit ornaments for consideration. “It is well established that expression of religious beliefs is protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution,” the letter reads. “Religious expression is speech and is entitled to the same level of protection as other kinds of speech... Even expression that comes through symbols, such as ornaments…”
October 2, 200916 yr Author When did freedom of religion get twisted around to mean freedom from religion?Good question. Anyone?
October 2, 200916 yr Author Everyone knows about separation of Church and Christmas! Come on guys:lol:We're talking about a CHRISTMAS three for crying out loud! :popcorn:
October 2, 200916 yr We're talking about a CHRISTMAS three for crying out loud! :popcorn:Now don't bring the Trinity into this.
October 2, 200916 yr We're talking about a CHRISTMAS three for crying out loud! :popcorn: Which is really a pagan symbol . . . historically and I would say now if it is not pagan the tree is certainly secular.
October 2, 200916 yr Which is really a pagan symbol . . . historically and I would say now if it is not pagan the tree is certainly secular. Going back to the Norse festival of Yule. :thumb:
October 2, 200916 yr Going back to the Norse festival of Yule. :thumb:I guess that's why the Norse celebrated "Yuletide." I believe in the south they celebrated "Roll Tide."
October 2, 200916 yr Author Yep, this is really going to infringe on my worship - dang it!!And since it's the Dems, I suppose you think this is fine and dandy?
October 2, 200916 yr Author Which is really a pagan symbol . . . historically and I would say now if it is not pagan the tree is certainly secular.Like it or not, Ace, the Christmas tree has become a part of Christmas that has more meaning than a pagan symbol. For a lot of folks, a Christmas tree in itself is a religious ornament. Many adorn the tree with religious ornaments, a star (as in the star of Bethlehem) or an angel on the top. Many will put their Nativity scene under the tree. Just because you view it the way you do, doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you or how you view it. One question for you, Ace. Do you put a Christmas tree up each year?
October 2, 200916 yr I don't see why people care. If these views aren't being forced on anyone, then who does it hurt? BTW, Run To State, that is the best location I have ever seen. I have no idea how you did it, but that is original.:thumb:
October 3, 200916 yr Like it or not, Ace, the Christmas tree has become a part of Christmas that has more meaning than a pagan symbol. For a lot of folks, a Christmas tree in itself is a religious ornament. Many adorn the tree with religious ornaments, a star (as in the star of Bethlehem) or an angel on the top. Many will put their Nativity scene under the tree. Just because you view it the way you do, doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you or how you view it. One question for you, Ace. Do you put a Christmas tree up each year? Yeah, and I can put on it whatever I want to put it on it, because my tree is not representative of anything by MY house. If the tree is a religious symbol, then who cares what chrismons is put on it. the fact they are putting a tree up should be more than enough
October 3, 200916 yr Author Yeah, and I can put on it whatever I want to put it on it, because my tree is not representative of anything by MY house. If the tree is a religious symbol, then who cares what chrismons is put on it. the fact they are putting a tree up should be more than enough But why? After all, in your view it's a just a secular decoration. What's it got to do with Christmas? Why waste your time?
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