How many other conferences have 4 elite defenses? Just curious. That's one third of the conference. Georgia is averaging almost 31 points per game. What is exactly is required to be "good" offensively? Where would 26 per game rate?

 

10 points on OK State and 20 on Arizona State seems like an Offensive juggernaut to me. Running the score up on Arkansas is hardly impressive. They did drop quite a bit on South Carolina, but do we really know how good the Gamecocks are defensively? Sure they held Ole Miss to 10 points, but that was also a bit of Ole Miss being inefficient and the lack of using McCluster until the end. Anyone who gives up 40 points is not elite defensively. Outside of AJ Green who on Georgia scares anyone? Caleb King wll but he's only played one game. Samuel is averaging 4.5 ypc, which is good but not great. Cox is okay, but 5 INT's versus these defenses?

 

Bama, UF, and Tennessee are elite defensively. No one else is in that class. But sure, buy the SEC propoganda if you must. There are two elite teams, and the rest will start to fall over the course of the season.

These SEC defenses are average at best compared to what?

 

Question: In your infinite wisdom, which is probably ten years of watching college football, just what teams have you seen with "elite" defenses?

 

By the way, since you put so much stock in what the expert recruiting services say about all of these 4-star and 5-star players, did you know the SEC is getting a great percentage of these players every year. Does it not make sense that looking at scores of games and concluding a team does not have a superior defense is short-sighted on your part?

 

Example:

 

Arkansas has a rotten defense because they gave up a ton of points versus Georgia and Alabama......teams that have, what, ten or more 4 or 5-star athletes on their rosters in the skilled position.

 

Kentucky has a rotten defense because they gave up 31 points in the first quarter against Florida......a team that has three deep 4 and 5-star talent at the skilled positions.

 

Mississippi State with their bad defense against LSU.....a team loaded with 4 and 5-star talent in the skilled positions.

 

Wake up or grow up and realize the SEC competition is the best athletes in the country who can make plays and can drive any outstanding defensive coordinator crazy.

 

I honestly can not think of a conference team with an average defense. SEC average defenses would be top tier defenses in other conferences.

 

Mississipi State...um, look no further than their pathetic defense against LSU. Sure LSU didn't score alot, and two TD's were non-offensive, but I didn't think they looked good defensively against a team that isn't anywhere near elite on the offensive end.

 

Can someone please explain what the heck this means?

10 points on OK State and 20 on Arizona State seems like an Offensive juggernaut to me. Running the score up on Arkansas is hardly impressive. They did drop quite a bit on South Carolina, but do we really know how good the Gamecocks are defensively? Sure they held Ole Miss to 10 points, but that was also a bit of Ole Miss being inefficient and the lack of using McCluster until the end. Anyone who gives up 40 points is not elite defensively. Outside of AJ Green who on Georgia scares anyone? Caleb King wll but he's only played one game. Samuel is averaging 4.5 ypc, which is good but not great. Cox is okay, but 5 INT's versus these defenses?

 

Bama, UF, and Tennessee are elite defensively. No one else is in that class. But sure, buy the SEC propoganda if you must. There are two elite teams, and the rest will start to fall over the course of the season.

Sure they will fall because they beat each other up each weekend.

 

When the bowl season comes, the SEC teams usually rise against inferior teams from inferior conferences.

These SEC defenses are average at best compared to what?

 

Question: In your infinite wisdom, which is probably ten years of watching college football, just what teams have you seen with "elite" defenses?

 

By the way, since you put so much stock in what the expert recruiting services say about all of these 4-star and 5-star players, did you know the SEC is getting a great percentage of these players every year. Does it not make sense that looking at scores of games and concluding a team does not have a superior defense is short-sighted on your part?

 

Example:

 

Arkansas has a rotten defense because they gave up a ton of points versus Georgia and Alabama......teams that have, what, ten or more 4 or 5-star athletes on their rosters in the skilled position.

 

Kentucky has a rotten defense because they gave up 31 points in the first quarter against Florida......a team that has three deep 4 and 5-star talent at the skilled positions.

 

Mississippi State with their bad defense against LSU.....a team loaded with 4 and 5-star talent in the skilled positions.

 

Wake up or grow up and realize the SEC competition is the best athletes in the country who can make plays and can drive any outstanding defensive coordinator crazy.

 

I honestly can not think of a conference team with an average defense. SEC average defenses would be top tier defenses in other conferences.

 

1. I don't claim to have infinite wisdom.

2. 10 years of watching college football? I'm 21 so I'd say that I've been able to really know what's going on for 5-6 years, schematically and things like that. But, through tape and things like that I probably go back about 20-25 years pal. Outside of coaches, scouts and analyst I'd say I watch as much football as anyone. I break down game film, buy coaches game tape, and study football for fun. So if you want to talk football, know that I can talk it with you. So what if I miss on a prediction every now and then? How many other people do you know who take the time to know exactly what the teams playing are doing? I'm a football nerd and I don't take lightly to being insulted.

3. I don't put much stock into rankings. It's an easy way to compare how people were rated and recruited coming out of high school, but only a fool goes by that. As a Miami guy, many of our best players weren't highly recruited. For every D.J. Williams and Sean Taylor we have had an Ed Reed. I have always said I don't buy into that stuff. Kyle Wright, Willie Williams, Fred Rouse, etc. all 5 stars none panned out. You cannot buy that garbage and I don't. I cite them sometimes, but you have never heard me say that I go by that. NEVER! AND YOU NEVER WILL. Sam Bradford was a 3 star for crying out loud, and ended up setting records as a RS Frosh.

4. You cannot say with a straight face that the SEC as a whole is a good offensive conference. Sure UF has been good the last 3 years, but even their first title team wasn't dynamic offensively.

 

As for waking up realize that:

A. SEC has the best athletes in the country. So when they play OOC (out of conference), they have an distinct advantage. They also have the best coaches. SEC defense looks so much better against OOC opponents because they just out athlete them. But, once inside the conference that athleticism for the most part goes away.

B. I don't care who you are if you give up 41 point to anyone you aren't an elite defense. I don't care if that means there are 10 elite defenses in one year or zero.

 

5. Don't confuse good for elite. Elite? Elite? Elite = Florida holding the highest scoring offense of all-time to 14 points. Elite is Tennessee having great defensive statistics despite having a terrible offense with no passing game.

6. Average at best was in terms of the SEC. Maybe poor word choice, but the rest of these defenses are about the same. Like I said, it is possible that S. Carolina and Ole Miss could rise above the rest, but nothing they have done this season would warrant them being talked about as an elite defense. Carolina shutting down Ole Miss isn't impressive. Ole Miss struggled to put away Memphis.

10 points on OK State and 20 on Arizona State seems like an Offensive juggernaut to me. Running the score up on Arkansas is hardly impressive. They did drop quite a bit on South Carolina, but do we really know how good the Gamecocks are defensively? Sure they held Ole Miss to 10 points, but that was also a bit of Ole Miss being inefficient and the lack of using McCluster until the end. Anyone who gives up 40 points is not elite defensively. Outside of AJ Green who on Georgia scares anyone? Caleb King wll but he's only played one game. Samuel is averaging 4.5 ypc, which is good but not great. Cox is okay, but 5 INT's versus these defenses?

 

Bama, UF, and Tennessee are elite defensively. No one else is in that class. But sure, buy the SEC propoganda if you must. There are two elite teams, and the rest will start to fall over the course of the season.

 

Two elite teams in a conference is pretty good. You're judging the rest of the SEC against the best of the SEC, instead of judging them against the rest of the nation.

 

I buy the SEC "hype" because it is real.

 

1. There have been very few seasons in my lifetime when it hasn't been the best conference.

 

2. There have been a few season when it was significantly better than the rest.

 

3. The challengers rotate in cycles...sometimes its the Big Ten, sometimes the Pac-10, sometimes the Big 12 and sometimes the ACC. The constants? The SEC. Whichever of those 4 happen to be in an up cycle, they're always challenging the SEC for top billing. So, even in a "down" year, the SEC will likely be the second best conference, and certainly no worse than third.

 

Since the BCS was put instituted, the SEC is 12-5 in BCS Bowls, including 5 national champions. Five champions in 11 years, and 4 in the last 6. Since the BCS championship game started three years ago, the SEC has won all three. The average margin of victory? 17 points per game. The closest game was last year's 10 point margin. If you go back to the beginning of the Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance days, the SEC is 15-8 with 7 champions. Four different teams combined to win those 7 championships, and one other, Auburn, went undefeated and was inexplicably denied a shot at the title (we can only wonder).

 

So, you see, its not hype. Its fact. Haters call it hype. It looks like you've done a nice job convincing yourself, but you'd be hard pressed to win any converts since there's little to support your argument. Considering the conference sports 3 of the top 4 teams in the nation and a couple more top 25 teams to boot, if its overrated and overhyped, well, then, I think that says more about the level of excellence expected of the SEC than anything else.

 

But, maybe it is overhyped. Sometimes that happens. But, one thing I've found is that the SEC is often judged against itself, as you're doing. Most of the time, when it is overhyped, its still the best conference in college football. This year is no different.

Can someone please explain what the heck this means?

 

I was saying you can't say Mississippi State has a good defense.

Two elite teams in a conference is pretty good. You're judging the rest of the SEC against the best of the SEC, instead of judging them against the rest of the nation.

 

I buy the SEC "hype" because it is real.

 

1. There have been very few seasons in my lifetime when it hasn't been the best conference.

 

2. There have been a few season when it was significantly better than the rest.

 

3. The challengers rotate in cycles...sometimes its the Big Ten, sometimes the Pac-10, sometimes the Big 12 and sometimes the ACC. The constants? The SEC. Whichever of those 4 happen to be in an up cycle, they're always challenging the SEC for top billing. So, even in a "down" year, the SEC will likely be the second best conference, and certainly no worse than third.

 

Since the BCS was put instituted, the SEC is 12-5 in BCS Bowls, including 5 national champions. Five champions in 11 years, and 4 in the last 6. Since the BCS championship game started three years ago, the SEC has won all three. The average margin of victory? 17 points per game. The closest game was last year's 10 point margin. If you go back to the beginning of the Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance days, the SEC is 15-8 with 7 champions. Four different teams combined to win those 7 championships, and one other, Auburn, went undefeated and was inexplicably denied a shot at the title (we can only wonder).

 

So, you see, its not hype. Its fact. Haters call it hype. It looks like you've done a nice job convincing yourself, but you'd be hard pressed to win any converts since there's little to support your argument. Considering the conference sports 3 of the top 4 teams in the nation and a couple more top 25 teams to boot, if its overrated and overhyped, well, then, I think that says more about the level of excellence expected of the SEC than anything else.

 

But, maybe it is overhyped. Sometimes that happens. But, one thing I've found is that the SEC is often judged against itself, as you're doing. Most of the time, when it is overhyped, its still the best conference in college football. This year is no different.

 

The bolded is pretty much what I've tried to say in a round about way. As for converts, I could care less. Hype is for the haters. If UF and Bama didn't exist are there any other teams in the SEC that could legitimately win the title? I don't know. Do you really think that LSU is a top 4 team in the country based on what they've shown?

1. I don't claim to have infinite wisdom.

2. 10 years of watching college football? I'm 21 so I'd say that I've been able to really know what's going on for 5-6 years, schematically and things like that. But, through tape and things like that I probably go back about 20-25 years pal. Outside of coaches, scouts and analyst I'd say I watch as much football as anyone. I break down game film, buy coaches game tape, and study football for fun. So if you want to talk football, know that I can talk it with you. So what if I miss on a prediction every now and then? How many other people do you know who take the time to know exactly what the teams playing are doing? I'm a football nerd and I don't take lightly to being insulted.

3. I don't put much stock into rankings. It's an easy way to compare how people were rated and recruited coming out of high school, but only a fool goes by that. As a Miami guy, many of our best players weren't highly recruited. For every D.J. Williams and Sean Taylor we have had an Ed Reed. I have always said I don't buy into that stuff. Kyle Wright, Willie Williams, Fred Rouse, etc. all 5 stars none panned out. You cannot buy that garbage and I don't. I cite them sometimes, but you have never heard me say that I go by that. NEVER! AND YOU NEVER WILL. Sam Bradford was a 3 star for crying out loud, and ended up setting records as a RS Frosh.

4. You cannot say with a straight face that the SEC as a whole is a good offensive conference. Sure UF has been good the last 3 years, but even their first title team wasn't dynamic offensively.

 

As for waking up realize that:

A. SEC has the best athletes in the country. So when they play OOC (out of conference), they have an distinct advantage. They also have the best coaches. SEC defense looks so much better against OOC opponents because they just out athlete them. But, once inside the conference that athleticism for the most part goes away.

B. I don't care who you are if you give up 41 point to anyone you aren't an elite defense. I don't care if that means there are 10 elite defenses in one year or zero.

 

5. Don't confuse good for elite. Elite? Elite? Elite = Florida holding the highest scoring offense of all-time to 14 points. Elite is Tennessee having great defensive statistics despite having a terrible offense with no passing game.

6. Average at best was in terms of the SEC. Maybe poor word choice, but the rest of these defenses are about the same. Like I said, it is possible that S. Carolina and Ole Miss could rise above the rest, but nothing they have done this season would warrant them being talked about as an elite defense. Carolina shutting down Ole Miss isn't impressive. Ole Miss struggled to put away Memphis.

 

Again, you seem to be judging the SEC vs. itself. In that case, it cannot win.

I was saying you can't say Mississippi State has a good defense.

 

Yet you can call them pathetic? :idunno:

The bolded is pretty much what I've tried to say in a round about way. As for converts, I could care less. Hype is for the haters. If UF and Bama didn't exist are there any other teams in the SEC that could legitimately win the title? I don't know. Do you really think that LSU is a top 4 team in the country based on what they've shown?

 

I haven't watched LSU. I'm sure they're loaded with talent as usual, but to answer your question, no. I'm not a Les Miles fan and I don't expect to see LSU win another championship as long as he's there.

 

As for the first question, what is your point? Do I get to remove the two best teams from every conference and then decide. Or do I have to send the SEC's third and fourth best teams against the rest of the nation?

 

Take Texas and Oklahoma out of the Big 12, Penn State and Ohio State from the Big Ten, and USC and somebody from the Pac-10, etc.

 

Are you telling me the SEC wouldn't be in contention with what's left?

Yet you can call them pathetic? :idunno:

 

Giving up bombs to LSU is pathetic. LSU doesn't have a very good offense right now. They may start to show up because they have some talent, but they are not a complete offensive football team right now. So yes, MSU's defense is pathetic. Did you watch that game? I didn't catch it as it was live, but it's been on one of the SEC channels a few times in the last few days.

 

I haven't watched LSU. I'm sure they're loaded with talent as usual, but to answer your question, no. I'm not a Les Miles fan and I don't expect to see LSU win another championship as long as he's there.

 

As for the first question, what is your point? Do I get to remove the two best teams from every conference and then decide. Or do I have to send the SEC's third and fourth best teams against the rest of the nation?

 

Take Texas and Oklahoma out of the Big 12, Penn State and Ohio State from the Big Ten, and USC and somebody from the Pac-10, etc.

 

Are you telling me the SEC wouldn't be in contention with what's left?

 

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that those two make the SEC seem better than it is this season. No one thinks that the Pac-10 is suddenly world beaters because a team knocked off USC. No other conference is as good as the SEC. But, what I'm saying is that the SEC isn't as good as it's made out to be. I think outside of those two, alot of teams could beat the other ten. I know that doesn't make sense, so just forget it.:isurrender:

Giving up bombs to LSU is pathetic. LSU doesn't have a very good offense right now. They may start to show up because they have some talent, but they are not a complete offensive football team right now. So yes, MSU's defense is pathetic. Did you watch that game? I didn't catch it as it was live, but it's been on one of the SEC channels a few times in the last few days.

 

I hate to interrupt all of your cool sayings with facts, but they gave up 263 yards and 16 points to LSU. That makes them pathetic :idunno: LSU ran the ball 30 times for 31 yards. Should I keep the facts coming or dance around the question and come up with neat phrases like you do?

Again, you seem to be judging the SEC vs. itself. In that case, it cannot win.

 

Also judging it against it's past. Look at how many NFL players have came out of the league the last few years, and you didn't see teams giving up this many yards and points. I like the SEC games that were 13-10, 17-14, and the occasional 24-21 games. It just seems that teams aren't as good defensively as they were then. UF , UT and Bama have improved, but the other teams that were around the top have gotten worse and worse defensively. Last year LSU had to of had their worst defense of this decade. Same for Georgia. Arkansas has went down the drain defensively. Even Auburn who used to dominate with stingy defense just isnt the same. I'm not seeing the offense having moved that far ahead. Actually I don't think that you can say that they have. Is Auburn better offensively now then when they have Cadillac and Ronnie Brown? Is Mallett and Co. better than Felix Jones and Run-DMC? I don't know.

Also judging it against it's past. Look at how many NFL players have came out of the league the last few years, and you didn't see teams giving up this many yards and points. I like the SEC games that were 13-10, 17-14, and the occasional 24-21 games. It just seems that teams aren't as good defensively as they were then. UF , UT and Bama have improved, but the other teams that were around the top have gotten worse and worse defensively. Last year LSU had to of had their worst defense of this decade. Same for Georgia. Arkansas has went down the drain defensively. Even Auburn who used to dominate with stingy defense just isnt the same. I'm not seeing the offense having moved that far ahead. Actually I don't think that you can say that they have. Is Auburn better offensively now then when they have Cadillac and Ronnie Brown? Is Mallett and Co. better than Felix Jones and Run-DMC? I don't know.

 

These things cycle up and down...the SEC just has great players and athletes across the board. The defense are always very athletic and good. The offenses ebb and flow, I think, based on turnover. Sometimes the conference returns several experienced, offensive stars, and sometimes teams are breaking in new QB's and young skill players. Nobody knows what to expect then.

 

This seems like a typical year for the SEC to me...a couple of elite teams, a bunch of good teams to various degrees and a 1-3 that aren't so good. But, the SEC is never unbeatable...there are always teams around the country capable of beating them at all levels...top, middle, and bottom. Just like OK State beat Georgia and Arizona State almost did.