I would put Lincoln's ahead of anyone but other then that it's hard to argue against the economic mess, 9/11, then Katrina.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you get from defending fmr. President Bush? It doesn't help build a case against President Obama, and (from what I've gathered from your posts), I don't think you were the biggest Bush fan anyways.

 

Irrational hatred for Bush is going to exist no matter what, in the same manner that irrational hatred for President Obama exists. Both inherited messes and both did things that are bad for our country (IMO). I defend neither.

I don't think the problem is disagreement over the policies but the way Joe Wilson acted. For that matter, what I got from some of it was the way the population has been so quick to equate anything the disagree with as Nazi, Communistic, or whatever "boogie man" they can create.

 

As to Carter being the one with the problem about a "black President" I think you are totally off on that one.

 

BTW, I think the Dems were doing the same during the last administration in some of the wild accusations made at Bush.

A very small percentage of people equate things as you describe, the Dems and the media have done a bang up job of pushing the focus on that as if it were prevalent. More reason I say it's those type of people that have the problem.

 

Carter absolutely has a problem, IMO, he's definitely not ready for a black president if he thinks that comment was made out of racism.

 

Your last point I totally agree with, goofy people on both sides.

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So, as usual, we decide not to discuss the subject/issue. We decide to attack the person who made the comment.

Why wouldn't I? It was a stupid comment by Carter and totally unfounded.

If there were as much racial animosity in reality as the accusations present, President Obama would have never come close to being elected. Carter pulling the race card, because an agenda he backs is failing due to the reality of politics, is weak at best.

 

I've always respected President Carter as a good man that got in over his head. Statements like this take away from that respect. Maybe it's his own racism, and his guilt of it, fueling his remarks.

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If you don't mind me asking, what do you get from defending fmr. President Bush? It doesn't help build a case against President Obama, and (from what I've gathered from your posts), I don't think you were the biggest Bush fan anyways.

 

Irrational hatred for Bush is going to exist no matter what, in the same manner that irrational hatred for President Obama exists. Both inherited messes and both did things that are bad for our country (IMO). I defend neither.

You're correct on all accounts. Sometimes I get caught up in the moment and post before letting things digest.

 

As far as the topic of the thread, there are always going to be those who think race is in play for everything Obama related. It just comes with the territory of having a black president. I think it is a shame that someone in Carter's position would play this game but I guess that's politics.

Here's yet another moronic view of those racist words, "you lie".

 

The "logical" conclusion? :ohbrother:

 

Ok, if you say so.

 

I would put Lincoln's ahead of anyone but other then that it's hard to argue against the economic mess, 9/11, then Katrina.

You were referring to the "mess" Bush inherited "from day one" ... 9/11 and Katrina occurred much later than his first day in office. There wasn't much of an economic mess, either.

 

Now if you want to refer to the events that happened on his watch, I won't disagree with you. But I would say the situation Obama inherited (two wars, one of which was totally unnecessary, and an economic mess) was worse than what Bush came in on.

I'm going to try to answer this delicately to keep from getting you fired up. I think that he is frustrated at what he believes were lies from our President regarding the health care bill.

 

This is not an excuse for his behavior or an indication on whether Rep. Wilson was right or wrong in the idea that President Obama is lying, just an explanation of what he was frustrated about- what he perceived to be lies. If his perception is wrong (which will boil down to a matter of opinion, most likely) then that doesn't make him a racist.

You don't have to talk delicately.

 

Where is the president lying?

Equally, racism played a role in the vote. Otherwise we wouldn't have had the term "black vote". Not to mention the innumerable # of interviews with african americans who plainly voted for Obama because of race and no other reason. So, hard to pull the race card when it's convenient in assigning blame.

I suspect there were plenty of race-related votes against Obama, too.

You were referring to the "mess" Bush inherited "from day one" ... 9/11 and Katrina occurred much later than his first day in office. There wasn't much of an economic mess, either.

 

Now if you want to refer to the events that happened on his watch, I won't disagree with you. But I would say the situation Obama inherited (two wars, one of which was totally unnecessary, and an economic mess) was worse than what Bush came in on.

Read it how you want.

You don't have to talk delicately.

 

Where is the president lying?

 

Depends on the meaning of "lie". I've posted this elsewhere.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_fact_check

 

Are some of these things lies, errors, ommissions or just same old politickin?

I suspect there were plenty of race-related votes against Obama, too.

43% of white voters voted for Barack Obama.

95 - 96% of African Americans voted for Obama with a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout.

88% percent of the black vote went to John Kerry and 90% to Gore. While blacks vote overwhelmingly Democrat, Obama got quite a bump from black voters with a larger than usual turnout.

How is it that if a person says something that was done, that relates to anti-Obama sentiments, is racist, that's the immediate defense is [sic] "Well...there was racism that got him elected."

 

I'm stymied. I don't believe racism got Obama elected. I think a lack of viable options on the Repulican ticket got Obama elected.

 

How is it that when using racism as a reason for any white persons acts is incorrect, yet racism is ok to apply to those who voted for Obama?

 

I'm so confused.

 

White people seem to have no problem denying racism on their own part, but no problem as well applying it as a reason that things they didn't want, happened.

43% of white voters voted for Barack Obama.

95 - 96% of African Americans voted for Obama with a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout.

88% percent of the black vote went to John Kerry and 90% to Gore. While blacks vote overwhelmingly Democrat, Obama got quite a bump from black voters with a larger than usual turnout.

 

Looks like 57% of white voters are racist to me.

I can't see how you make the jump from "You lie" to "racist." Supposition at best without , apparently, any supporting evidence.

 

However, anyone that thinks this country still doesn't have a race problem has their head buried in the sand. Its not as overt as it once was but its still evident. You saw it at the recent rally in Washington on signs and comments. You see it in cartoons about Obama when he was moving into the White House. I'm sure many of you saw/had sent to you the cartoon showing Air Force One with "rims" on it and other stereotypes. You also also it when the left went after Condi Rice. You heard it when you heard Rush say something like "In an Obama Nation you have white kids getting beat up on the school bus."

 

Its omnipresent.