Today, a former UL student was arrested in the UL Library....with 2 handguns and ammo.

Question: Do you obtain a permit THEN get a gun? Or get a gun THEN get the permit? And, do you even need a permit if you don't seek a concealed carry permit? If you don't have a concealed carry permit, can you have your gun on you as long as it's clearly visible?

Aren't the guns the means to resist tyranny? If this attempt at health reform is tyranny then when does the armed resistance begin?

You do know that the gentleman in the picture is said to be on the pro side of the healthcare reform?

Question: Do you obtain a permit THEN get a gun? Or get a gun THEN get the permit? And, do you even need a permit if you don't seek a concealed carry permit? If you don't have a concealed carry permit, can you have your gun on you as long as it's clearly visible?

 

My understanding of KY law is...You only need a CCDW if you want to conceal your firearm. I also believe KY is an open carry state which means if it is clearly visible you can carry it. Also a firearm in your glove compartment is not cosidered concealed. If I'm incorrect someone will let us know.

Yesterday a woman with a valid permit, in southern Indiana, was sentenced to ten years for shooting a man that she said was approaching her car in a manner that she felt threatened her. Something for all of you shoot first ask questions later types to ponder. I would interpret someone reaching for a gun as a serious threat to my life. Would RM have been justified to pull a gun when the guy reached for his? When she reached for hers, would that have confirmed his perception of danger and justified continuing to pull his? Sounds like high noon to me. To my mind, reaching for a gun as a result of a chance bump on the street is irresponsible, stupid and asking to get shot.

I already answered that. Read through and you'll see it.

 

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.

I already answered that. Read through and you'll see it.

 

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.

 

I said this in the other gun thread...and gave you credit! :ylsuper:

Aren't the guns the means to resist tyranny? If this attempt at health reform is tyranny then when does the armed resistance begin?

Do you always deal in absolutes? What's wrong with a little warning? :sssh:

 

The heathcare reform being put forth, to a vast majority of those opposed to it, is the first step toward a socialized form of government. That's the center of the protest, not the healthcare reform itself.

 

I'll answer your question, though. Approximately 20% of Americans legally own registered weapons, most multiple weapons. That comes to about 60 million. Estimates of those who own unregistered weapons are in the range of another 25%. That brings the total up to about 130 million. The armed resistance will happen when the government attempts to take them.

You do know that the gentleman in the picture is said to be on the pro side of the healthcare reform?

 

Which picture? Not the one I linked.

Do you always deal in absolutes? What's wrong with a little warning? :sssh:

 

The heathcare reform being put forth, to a vast majority of those opposed to it, is the first step toward a socialized form of government. That's the center of the protest, not the healthcare reform itself.

 

I'll answer your question, though. Approximately 20% of Americans legally own registered weapons, most multiple weapons. That comes to about 60 million. Estimates of those who own unregistered weapons are in the range of another 25%. That brings the total up to about 130 million. The armed resistance will happen when the government attempts to take them.

 

Fair enough. I'm just trying to determine the necessity of a gun at a health protest and whether those with guns would actually resist, what they consider, tyranny.

I'm not sure too many people have the strength and punching power to kill someone with one punch. If that were the case, a lot of boxers and MMA fighters would be dead.

Yet it still happens. Silly to assume that it can't happen either.

 

Randy George Lintner, 46, died from head trauma as a direct result of a punch to the head, an autopsy concluded.

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Road rage victim Simon Bampton was killed by a single punch that ruptured an artery in his neck.

 

A post-mortem examination on the 28-year-old glazier who was killed in an attack on a night out in Bristol this week revealed the savage blow caused his head to twist with such force it damaged the artery supplying blood to his brain

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A man who killed professional surfer Emery Kauanui with a single punch was sentenced Monday to 20 years to life in prison following a murder trial that captivated the seaside community of La Jolla.

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Yeah, you're right, if those boxers and MMA fighters aren't getting killed then it can't happen...

 

The fact that this man started to draw his gun for no reason, (in our hypothetical situation) and caused the other person to attack him (out of self defense) does not give him the right to go ahead and pull his weapon and fire it. I'm not saying he would automatically be tried as a murderer, but in my opinion, he wouldn't get off easy claiming he used his weapon in "self defense".

For no reason in your mind doesn't matter. It was what he perceived to be happening at the time. And again, he never unholstered it. I'd bet there are cases out there where someone was attacked as you describe, shot the assailant and was let off.

Out of curiosity, how many here have actually had a gun pulled on them? I have, by a big weenie of a co-worker late at night in the office.

 

I have a few times. One of them was a policeman that wasn't aware of the situation he came upon, so I can't blame him. Ironically, one of them was a coworker.

Which picture? Not the one I linked.

The one linked at the start of the thread.

Fair enough. I'm just trying to determine the necessity of a gun at a health protest and whether those with guns would actually resist, what they consider, tyranny.

I guess you would have to ask them, I've never gone to a protest, gun or no.

My understanding of KY law is...You only need a CCDW if you want to conceal your firearm. I also believe KY is an open carry state which means if it is clearly visible you can carry it. Also a firearm in your glove compartment is not cosidered concealed. If I'm incorrect someone will let us know.

 

KRS 527.020 - "A deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in a glove compartment, regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer regardless of whether said compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism."

 

 

Summary

Kentucky is one of our "Gold Star" open carry states. There is complete state preemption of all firearms laws, open carry is constitutionally protected with court precedent and law enforcement is aware of its legality.

 

To see the above in all its glory you really need to go to Mt. Sterling Court Day. In the open, on the street private gun sale transactions. The 'waiting period' is the amount of time it takes to get your money out of your wallet.

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Today, a former UL student was arrested in the UL Library....with 2 handguns and ammo.

He broke the law, as far as I know UL is a gun free zone, so he should have been arrested.