No. I'm amazed that you don't seem to care that there are two sides to every story. You only heard one side and have made up your mind, that's not a very fair way of looking at the situation, yet you seem to be fine with that. I'd guess most people on trial would prefer the jury members would listen to both sides before making up their mind, the whole little innocent until proven guilty thing.

 

In case you haven't checked...this isn't a court room and no one is on trial. So the situations are OBVIOUSLY very different. Not sure how you can't grasp that.

 

And I don't need another side. I've been bumped into on the street, I don't think about pulling a weapon when that happens. Anyone that nervous/jumpy shouldn't be carrying a weapon.

I'm saying when you draw a weapon there are risks that come with that. Is that not true?

 

Or, maybe the idiot shouldn't start to draw his weapon on an innocent woman who accidentally bumped into him.

He didn't draw it. That would mean it came out of the holster, you should know that.

 

He likely didn't know it was a woman until he saw her. For some strange reason, you're not understanding that little point. :idunno:

He didn't draw it. That would mean it came out of the holster, you should know that.

 

He likely didn't know it was a woman until he saw her. For some strange reason, you're not understanding that little point. :idunno:

 

I didn't say he drew it. I was talking about the other thread, you should know that. You know, the one you brought up just a second ago?

 

I don't care if he knew it was a woman or not, you don't even start to pull a weapon on someone you bump into. That's paranoid and stupid.

In case you haven't checked...this isn't a court room and no one is on trial. So the situations are OBVIOUSLY very different. Not sure how you can't grasp that.

 

And I don't need another side. I've been bumped into on the street, I don't think about pulling a weapon when that happens. Anyone that nervous/jumpy shouldn't be carrying a weapon.

I grasp it quite well, I'm just not willing to condemn someone when I don't know their side of the story, you are. The fact that you claim no one can be killed by a punch to the head is reason enough to excuse your viewpoint. That and the fact that you admittedly are being one sided. We weren't there and only have RM's account, when you can tell me his side of the story you'll be able to make a valid point.

I didn't say he drew it. I was talking about the other thread, you should know that. You know, the one you brought up just a second ago?

 

I don't care if he knew it was a woman or not, you don't even start to pull a weapon on someone you bump into. That's paranoid and stupid.

No, I think you were talking about RM's guy. Otherwise why would you follow up with "Or, maybe the idiot shouldn't start to draw his weapon on an innocent woman who accidentally bumped into him"?

Again, you or I don't know if he really did begin to draw it. We only have one account from one (yet trustworthy) person on an incident that happened rather quickly. Are you telling me she couldn't possibly been mistaken on one detail?

No, I think you were talking about RM's guy. Otherwise why would you follow up with "Or, maybe the idiot shouldn't start to draw his weapon on an innocent woman who accidentally bumped into him"?

Again, you or I don't know if he really did begin to draw it. We only have one account from one (yet trustworthy) person on an incident that happened rather quickly. Are you telling me she couldn't possibly been mistaken on one detail?

 

I told you what I was talking about once, I shouldn't have to twice. I'd appreciate it if I wasn't accused of lying.

 

Fact of the matter is, I am not investigating this and I'm not on a jury deliberating a verdict. I'm posting my opinion on bluegrasspreps, and for that rockmoms description of the incident is enough for me to make a decision. Bumping into someone is not a good enough reason to even start to draw a firearm.

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I told you what I was talking about once, I shouldn't have to twice. I'd appreciate it if I wasn't accused of lying.

 

Fact of the matter is, I am not investigating this and I'm not on a jury deliberating a verdict. I'm posting my opinion on bluegrasspreps, and for that rockmoms description of the incident is enough for me to make a decision. Bumping into someone is not a good enough reason to even start to draw a firearm.

If I was accusing you of lying, I would have come out and said that. It would be less confusing if you were a bit clearer, it sure sounded as if you were talking about RM's guy since you clearly followed with "Or, maybe the idiot shouldn't start to draw his weapon on an innocent woman who accidentally bumped into him".

 

Right, in your opinion, that's all. Nothing more and it doesn't make you right. :thumb: Again, you weren't there, so you really don't know one way or the other.

I was perfectly clear rts. I was obviously responding to your post about the other thread.

I was perfectly clear rts. I was obviously responding to your post about the other thread.

We'll have to agree to disagree, it just made little sense to follow up with "or", which is what made it very unclear.

I just can't seem to stop responding, despite my best intentions.

 

In any public situation, there is a risk that you will bump into someone. As a pedestrian, shouldn't you take some initiative to be aware of your surroundings and think forward to avoid them if possible? I would argue that while the guy may have been surprised that I bumped into him, he shouldn't have been that close to the curb that I was stepping onto. First, a bus is not a small vehicle. Secondly, a bus is not a quiet vehicle. Thirdly, a large stinky bus stopping next to where you are walking is not likely to be unnoticed. Fourthly, a bus stops to either let people on, or let people off, therefore, one should expect that some sort of activity will be occuring shortly after said large stinky bus stops at the curb. Fifthly, I got off the back exit. Therefore, the door opens out onto the curb, unlike the front door, which opens inward into the bus. Not only did he most likely see the large stinking vehicle stopped at the curb, but he could not have been unaware of the door opening onto the curb.

 

As to the assertion that someone could have been getting off the bus ready to attack him, although possible, do you have any idea how incredulous that sounds?

 

Whether you feel my side of the story is enough or isn't enough really isn't relative. As a couple of other people have pointed out, even if he were surprised, unless he felt his life were in imminent danger, he should not have even attempted to draw his weapon. I definitely think he was NOT doing the right thing. If someone is so concerned for their own safety as to carry a gun, then they should be aware of many other non weapon related ways to ensure their own safety so that using the weapon is a last resort, and not their first instinct. The number one rule in personal safety is to be aware of your surroundings. How this guy could be excused by the rationale that he was 'surprised' is really not valid.

Spot on Rockmom. I could not have said it better. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

I just can't seem to stop responding, despite my best intentions.

 

In any public situation, there is a risk that you will bump into someone. As a pedestrian, shouldn't you take some initiative to be aware of your surroundings and think forward to avoid them if possible? I would argue that while the guy may have been surprised that I bumped into him, he shouldn't have been that close to the curb that I was stepping onto. First, a bus is not a small vehicle. Secondly, a bus is not a quiet vehicle. Thirdly, a large stinky bus stopping next to where you are walking is not likely to be unnoticed. Fourthly, a bus stops to either let people on, or let people off, therefore, one should expect that some sort of activity will be occuring shortly after said large stinky bus stops at the curb. Fifthly, I got off the back exit. Therefore, the door opens out onto the curb, unlike the front door, which opens inward into the bus. Not only did he most likely see the large stinking vehicle stopped at the curb, but he could not have been unaware of the door opening onto the curb.

 

As to the assertion that someone could have been getting off the bus ready to attack him, although possible, do you have any idea how incredulous that sounds?

 

Whether you feel my side of the story is enough or isn't enough really isn't relative. As a couple of other people have pointed out, even if he were surprised, unless he felt his life were in imminent danger, he should not have even attempted to draw his weapon. I definitely think he was NOT doing the right thing. If someone is so concerned for their own safety as to carry a gun, then they should be aware of many other non weapon related ways to ensure their own safety so that using the weapon is a last resort, and not their first instinct. The number one rule in personal safety is to be aware of your surroundings. How this guy could be excused by the rationale that he was 'surprised' is really not valid.

RM, the simple fact is there are two sides to every story. Do I think you are fabricating things? No. All I've been saying is there are two sides to every story. Even you don't know his side of the story completely, if you feel I'm not being fair to you, I'm sorry because that's not the intent. His side of the story has not been told and far too many people have labeled this guy without a clue to what happened from his vantage point. HB thinks he has plenty of info just based on what you told him. I'll guarantee you that somewhere this guy has told people his side of the story and they're talking about you in the same manner.

You want to think because I'm pro-gun that I must think the guy with the gun was right and you were wrong. Well, you are wrong, at least in thinking that. There is another side of the story and I for one wish I could hear it. As for some in this thread, and you know who you are, I can only hope if I'm ever accused of a crime (falsely or not) that a few of you aren't on the jury. I would hope that the jurors would be open minded enough to hear both sides of the story. HB tried to explain it away that this is only a board, not a courtroom and that one side was all he needed to hear. All I can say to that is I hope he changes that logic before he becomes a parent, it could really do a kid a lot of damage if his folks are willing to only take his or her side of things.

The funny thing here that really gets me is it's the conservative on this board being open minded enough to realize that there are two sides and the liberals that are always insistent about fairness are only willing to accept one side. They don't even have a clue as to what the other side of the story is, and worse, they don't care.

Think what you want folks, I'm sticking with what I feel is right. There are always two sides to every story.

 

BTW RM, I've seen cases where people were mugged ON the bus. So, I don't care that it was at a bus stop, bad things happen all the time.

And since you talked about how unaware he was, how was it that you (knowing full well that at a bus stop there would be people outside of the bus) managed to run into the guy? Were you not aware of your surroundings?

It cuts both ways, fair is fair.

RM, the simple fact is there are two sides to every story. Do I think you are fabricating things? No. All I've been saying is there are two sides to every story. Even you don't know his side of the story completely, if you feel I'm not being fair to you, I'm sorry because that's not the intent. His side of the story has not been told and far too many people have labeled this guy without a clue to what happened from his vantage point. HB thinks he has plenty of info just based on what you told him. I'll guarantee you that somewhere this guy has told people his side of the story and they're talking about you in the same manner.

You want to think because I'm pro-gun that I must think the guy with the gun was right and you were wrong. Well, you are wrong, at least in thinking that. There is another side of the story and I for one wish I could hear it. As for some in this thread, and you know who you are, I can only hope if I'm ever accused of a crime (falsely or not) that a few of you aren't on the jury. I would hope that the jurors would be open minded enough to hear both sides of the story. HB tried to explain it away that this is only a board, not a courtroom and that one side was all he needed to hear. All I can say to that is I hope he changes that logic before he becomes a parent, it could really do a kid a lot of damage if his folks are willing to only take his or her side of things.

The funny thing here that really gets me is it's the conservative on this board being open minded enough to realize that there are two sides and the liberals that are always insistent about fairness are only willing to accept one side. They don't even have a clue as to what the other side of the story is, and worse, they don't care.

Think what you want folks, I'm sticking with what I feel is right. There are always two sides to every story.

 

BTW RM, I've seen cases where people were mugged ON the bus. So, I don't care that it was at a bus stop, bad things happen all the time.

And since you talked about how unaware he was, how was it that you (knowing full well that at a bus stop there would be people outside of the bus) managed to run into the guy? Were you not aware of your surroundings?

It cuts both ways, fair is fair.

 

The door blocked my view, as well as juggling my purse, lunch bag, and about 6 years worth of Hotelligence reports and other statistical data I was bringing home. As well, because there's about a 6 inch step, and I had on heels, I was looking downward to ensure I didn't miss the curb. The door doesn't automatically open, you have to push it, and continuing pushing it as you go through, it doesn't stay open. I did see him, and others. Everyone else moved to the side of the sidwalk by the buildings when they saw the bus stop, and I assumed he did as well.

 

I don't CARE whether you believe me or not. I don't CARE that you feel he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt. I do find it interesting you feel he should be given the benefit of the doubt because of his actions, and that you DO know me, and you feel that I should be doubted because I "may not be telling the story accurately" (sic).

 

I'm going to do my best now to be done with this. It's over, been over for several weeks. No harm came, although I still do wonder about his reaction. And as I said before, not just his beginning to pull his gun, but the glare and general demeanor that was intimidating. But, in the overall scheme of things, it's no big deal. After this discussion though, I feel better about my feelings of intimidation. If swamprat would have felt threatened, I feel my reaction is not an overreaction. I also know who NOT to invite to my funeral.

The door blocked my view, as well as juggling my purse, lunch bag, and about 6 years worth of Hotelligence reports and other statistical data I was bringing home. As well, because there's about a 6 inch step, and I had on heels, I was looking downward to ensure I didn't miss the curb. The door doesn't automatically open, you have to push it, and continuing pushing it as you go through, it doesn't stay open. I did see him, and others. Everyone else moved to the side of the sidwalk by the buildings when they saw the bus stop, and I assumed he did as well.

 

I don't CARE whether you believe me or not. I don't CARE that you feel he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt. I do find it interesting you feel he should be given the benefit of the doubt because of his actions, and that you DO know me, and you feel that I should be doubted because I "may not be telling the story accurately" (sic).

 

I'm going to do my best now to be done with this. It's over, been over for several weeks. No harm came, although I still do wonder about his reaction. And as I said before, not just his beginning to pull his gun, but the glare and general demeanor that was intimidating. But, in the overall scheme of things, it's no big deal. After this discussion though, I feel better about my feelings of intimidation. If swamprat would have felt threatened, I feel my reaction is not an overreaction. I also know who NOT to invite to my funeral.

RM, I never said I doubted you, only that there are two sides, but you can view it as you wish. I am the type of person that will not always give my friends or family the nod without knowing the other side. This is something that drove my kids nuts, but I believe they are better for it.

I like you, I consider you a friend and I know you to be a trustworthy person. It's just in my nature to seek the entire story in such incidents. It's nothing personal and I really hope you didn't take it to be personal.

You are and will always be one of my favorites on BGP or anywhere for that matter. I'm just made the way I am, so I do apologize if I hurt your feelings in any way in this thread.