I should have stuck to my guns and left my last post to leatherneck as my last. I'm really going to do it this time. I promise.

 

I didn't mean to detract from your thread. My apolgies. :thumb:

No worries, this isn't my thread. I just think if people were more clear in the posts (and people stopped assuming) we'd reach a stopping point. It isn't for my good, it's for everyone.

No worries, this isn't my thread. I just think if people were more clear in the posts (and people stopped assuming) we'd reach a stopping point. It isn't for my good, it's for everyone.

 

I think most posters on BGP have been guilty of one or both of the things you mentioned. These things tend to work themselves out.

 

Personally I'm enjoying reading this debate!:thumb:

Out of curiosity, how many here have actually had a gun pulled on them? I have, by a big weenie of a co-worker late at night in the office.

I have.

Oh no. Now what will I do...

Who knows. I don't really expect you to care...

I had a gun pulled on me once by a friend who thought it was funny. We were pretty young and he thought it would be funny to point a gun at me...loaded. Thankfully nothing bad happened.

Out of curiosity, how many here have actually had a gun pulled on them? I have, by a big weenie of a co-worker late at night in the office.

 

Not a gun, but I had a large knife pressed up to my throat while in high school one night after a high school football game by another kid that didn't attend Highlands but I had played Jr. League Football with. Quite the scary moment.

Who knows. I don't really expect you to care...

Since there is no reason I should, it works out very well for both of us. :thumb:

My brother pulled a gun on me once, and a friend once. They thought it was funny, but I immediately had to change my drawers both times.

Having a gun does not give you the right to shoot anyone, even if they throw a punch at you.

First off, I didn't say it did. Secondly, I'll take the word of a lawyer over your word on this and since I haven't talked to one about it, the point is moot.

In a related story, I had a friend that went to the army that if you gave him a magazine and you kept a gun, he could kill you with the magazine before you could kill him with the gun. If it was "Good Housekeeping" I could see that.

I would expect nothing less from you than you assuming that I must be skewing the story and that you feel he must be the rational one.

 

I guess the fact that I was surprised means I must have exaggerated what I saw, while if he were surprised, he's perfectly justified in overreacting.

 

As I read what swamprat wrote, even if he'd only pulled the gun a quarter the way out, it still isn't kosher.

 

BTW, I'm not mistaken. You see, although I was surprised, I wasn't scared until I saw what was happening. I don't tend to be a "scared" person. I was definitely intimidated, I definitely felt threatened. I didn't panic, and I didn't run screaming from him. I took the time to apologize, and ask if he was OK. He had no words of apology or concern, only a glaring stare at me. Now, frankly, I don't expect that someone apologize for an accident, but it's not the first time I've bumped into someone. I'm trying to remember an instance where there wasn't at least SOME sort of verbal response. It's just a courteous reacation.

 

If I were going to exaggerate, I would have said the guy pointed the gun at me. I've made it clear that he didn't. But you see, it's not the gun that intimidates me, it's the fact that this guy's first instinct was to use the gun. I guess what some find laudable, others find worrisome.

I didn't claim you DID, I asked if it was possible. You are human after all.

 

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong and he's right. There is no way that can say they're isn't two sides of the story though. All I'm pointing out is that we don't know his side. Instead if getting angry at me, try to understand that that's all I'm wondering about, the side that hasn't been heard.

Out of curiosity, how many here have actually had a gun pulled on them? I have, by a big weenie of a co-worker late at night in the office.

Twice, actually. The fist time was a cop when I was young, got out of my car when I shouldn't have, totally my fault.

The second was some nut job with extreme road rage, he pointed it right at my head.

Twice, actually. The fist time was a cop when I was young, got out of my car when I shouldn't have, totally my fault.

The second was some nut job with extreme road rage, he pointed it right at my head.

How do you know that he was a nut job ? Maybe he had a good reason to point a gun at you , maybe he had been cut off or tailgated one time too many . Did you forget use your turn signal to change lanes ? Did you not yield the right of way ? What is his side of the story ?

First off, I didn't say it did. Secondly, I'll take the word of a lawyer over your word on this and since I haven't talked to one about it, the point is moot.

 

This is the best info I could find on it right now since I am at work, but I'm fairly certain you can't use deadly force as "self defense" when your attacker is not using deadly force.

 

 

A person claiming self-defense must prove at trial that the self-defense was justified. Generally a person may use reasonable force when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack. DEADLY FORCE may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force.

 

Read more: http://law.jrank.org/pages/10128/Self-Defense.html#ixzz0OpXoG5Sc

 

 

Therefore I come to the conclusion that if someone attacks you with their fists (because you originally went to pull a gun on them) you can't shoot them in self defense simply because he throws a punch at you.

How do you know that he was a nut job ? Maybe he had a good reason to point a gun at you , maybe he had been cut off or tailgated one time too many . Did you forget use your turn signal to change lanes ? Did you not yield the right of way ? What is his side of the story ?

And which of those reasons if true would make him not a nut job?