Good argument guys, many points have been brought up. I would like to add some of my thoughts for discussion, in you need any more:

 

1. I am from a 1A school in football, and a school that is eligible for the "All A Classic", I have never considered the "All A Classic" as a State Championship. I have to agree with PepRock on this point. I have never heard anyone from my school refer to it as a State Championship. I'm not saying that some don't, just that I do not refer to it as such. It is a great tournament, and winning it, or even qualifying for it is a great accomplishment.

 

I particularly agree with the bolded.

 

2. As for the "A" classification, I have to disagree with PepRock on this point, if, I said if, Kentucky went to a classification for basketball, there is nothing to say that they have to be the same alignment as is used for football. A class "A" in basketball could encompass what the class A, class AA, and part of the class AAA is in football. Kentucky could only have two or three classes in basketball as compared to six classes in football.

 

I think you may misunderstand my point on this particular issue. I am not saying what would or wouldn't encompass what class would be what if we indeed decided to classify basketball. I am going by, what I understood, to be the original qualifiers used. For instance the "All A" name, designation and qualification I understood from other threads on the matter to relate to the football classification which was used for this. I could be wrong, and if so then where in the world did the name come from?

 

 

3. Again, I have to disagree with you PepRock on the sanctioning of the tournament. Raceland recently won the 1A State Weight lifting Competition. That is not sanctioned by the KHSAA as a sport, or as a Championship, but I see it as a state sport and a state championship. All the schools are welcome to compete, if they have lifters qualify for the meet. I consider weightlifting a sport, I doubt many would disagree, even if the KHSAA does not over see it. So, an event does not have to be sanctioned by the KHSAA to be valid.

 

I personally don't count the club sports in regards to Trinity's accomplishments in state titles, but I respect them as well earned.

 

I am not saying that they are not sports, they are indeed. However in this case no other state sanctioned sport has anyone claiming a state title of any sort outside of the one awarded by the KHSAA.

It is what it is - a championship of all of the "A" schools in the state, decided in the All "A" State Tournament. It is actually very much sanctioned, but not recognized as a State Championship by the KHSAA.

 

The Bracken County Invitational Holiday Tournament is not "sanctioned" by the KHSAA as such as any kind of championship, but if you win it, you are welcome to proclaim yourself the BCIHT Champions.

 

Why deprive the teams who have emerged victorious over all of the "A" teams in the state (over 120 of them) the right to call themselves "A" State Champs. At least that's what my ring says.

It is what it is - a championship of all of the "A" schools in the state, decided in the All "A" State Tournament. It is actually very much sanctioned, but not recognized as a State Championship by the KHSAA.

 

The Bracken County Invitational Holiday Tournament is not "sanctioned" by the KHSAA as such as any kind of championship, but if you win it, you are welcome to proclaim yourself the BCIHT Champions.

 

Why deprive the teams who have emerged victorious over all of the "A" teams in the state (over 120 of them) the right to call themselves "A" State Champs. At least that's what my ring says.

 

 

If it is not recognized as a State Championship by the KHSAA in a sanctioned sport, then it is nothing more than an All A Classic Tournament Championship. Which is still a noteworthy accomplishment.

I particularly agree with the bolded.

 

 

 

I think you may misunderstand my point on this particular issue. I am not saying what would or wouldn't encompass what class would be what if we indeed decided to classify basketball. I am going by, what I understood, to be the original qualifiers used. For instance the "All A" name, designation and qualification I understood from other threads on the matter to relate to the football classification which was used for this. I could be wrong, and if so then where in the world did the name come from?

 

 

 

 

I personally don't count the club sports in regards to Trinity's accomplishments in state titles, but I respect them as well earned.

 

I am not saying that they are not sports, they are indeed. However in this case no other state sanctioned sport has anyone claiming a state title of any sort outside of the one awarded by the KHSAA.

 

Who cares, you are right but your not going to change the kids minds that play and win the All A that it isn't a state championship, so you are really just wasting your time battling back with everyone. But like I said technically you are right, but just give it a rest.:thumb:

PepRock, in that case, I would say the you and I are pretty close on our thoughts on this subject.

Who cares, you are right but your not going to change the kids minds that play and win the All A that it isn't a state championship, so you are really just wasting your time battling back with everyone. But like I said technically you are right, but just give it a rest.:thumb:

 

 

If they want to believe a falsehood then it is their choice.

 

Winning the All A is a tremendous accomplishment, it just isn't a state title.

PepRock, in that case, I would say the you and I are pretty close on our thoughts on this subject.

 

 

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If they want to believe a falsehood then it is their choice.

 

Winning the All A is a tremendous accomplishment, it just isn't a state title.

 

Like I said, you are right, but as long as the kids believe it, then most of KY high school basketball spectators will refer to it as the All A State tournament, no matter how many posts you make on it on here.:thumb:

Like I said, you are right, but as long as the kids believe it, then most of KY high school basketball spectators will refer to it as the All A State tournament, no matter how many posts you make on it on here.:thumb:

 

And in the end if that is what they want to believe that is what want to believe.

1. I am from a 1A school in football, and a school that is eligible for the "All A Classic", I have never considered the "All A Classic" as a State Championship. I have to agree with PepRock on this point. I have never heard anyone from my school refer to it as a State Championship. I'm not saying that some don't, just that I do not refer to it as such. It is a great tournament, and winning it, or even qualifying for it is a great accomplishment.

Why is winning the All A Classic not considered a state championship, when ...

3. Again, I have to disagree with you PepRock on the sanctioning of the tournament. Raceland recently won the 1A State Weight lifting Competition. That is not sanctioned by the KHSAA as a sport, or as a Championship, but I see it as a state sport and a state championship. All the schools are welcome to compete, if they have lifters qualify for the meet. I consider weightlifting a sport, I doubt many would disagree, even if the KHSAA does not over see it. So, an event does not have to be sanctioned by the KHSAA to be valid.

... you consider this to be a state championship?

Why is winning the All A Classic not considered a state championship, when ...

... you consider this to be a state championship?

 

Not to speak for him, and his rationale may be different, but in the case of basketball it is a KHSAA sanctioned sport that already has its own official state championship.

 

These other sports do not.

 

Of course I don't really look at these as state titles myself, but Ram clearly does with his own school.

Why is winning the All A Classic not considered a state championship, when ...

... you consider this to be a state championship?

PepRock pretty much said it. I think the state tournament is the desiding fact as far as a High School Basketball State Champion. I really don't have a great reason, just that in my area, I haven't heard anyone claim that the "All A Classic" is a State Tournament. It's just not looked at in that way in North-Eastern Kentucky. I had never heard the winner of the "All A Classic" referred to as a "State Champion" until I joined BGP.

 

As for the weightlifting, there is no other weight meet that is considered the Championship of weightlifting in the state of Kentucky. The only reason for that is, the KHSAA does not recognized weightlifting as a sport. So, there is no KHSAA sanctioned weight lifting event. The meet is titled "Kentucky State Weight Meet". I don't know, maybe others do not see it as a State event, but the only reason that I can come up with is, it is not sanctioned by the KHSAA because they do not govern weight lifting.

PepRock pretty much said it. I think the state tournament is the desiding fact as far as a High School Basketball State Champion. I really don't have a great reason, just that in my area, I haven't heard anyone claim that the "All A Classic" is a State Tournament. It's just not looked at in that way in North-Eastern Kentucky. I had never heard the winner of the "All A Classic" referred to as a "State Champion" until I joined BGP.

 

If Raceland were a regular visitor to Richmond, I guarantee you the kids, fans and school would most certainly think of it as a state championship.

 

I can't believe there's all this hand-wringing over semantics. Sure, it's not an official state championship. But the event has evolved to the point where it feels like one. It's conducted as though it's one. Players, fans and the schools treat it as though it's one, whether it is by the letter of the law or not. Who are we to take that away from them over semantics?

 

As for the weightlifting, there is no other weight meet that is considered the Championship of weightlifting in the state of Kentucky. The only reason for that is, the KHSAA does not recognized weightlifting as a sport. So, there is no KHSAA sanctioned weight lifting event. The meet is titled "Kentucky State Weight Meet". I don't know, maybe others do not see it as a State event, but the only reason that I can come up with is, it is not sanctioned by the KHSAA because they do not govern weight lifting.

If Raceland were a regular visitor to Richmond, I guarantee you the kids, fans and school would most certainly think of it as a state championship.

Maybe so, I was just saying that I was not used to hearing it mentioned as a State Championship until I joined BGP. It's a great tournament, and a very tough one. You can call it what ever you want, it make no difference to me.

I can't believe there's all this hand-wringing over semantics. Sure, it's not an official state championship. But the event has evolved to the point where it feels like one. It's conducted as though it's one. Players, fans and the schools treat it as though it's one, whether it is by the letter of the law or not. Who are we to take that away from them over semantics?

I don't think anyone is taking anything away from anyone else. It just seems to be a regional thing, the way people refer to the "All A".

 

State Championship it is.:thumb:

Bottom line -

 

The All A Classic is a statewide tournament. Is it a state championship? No. Is the winning team champions of a statewide tournament? Absolutely. The All A Classic is a great tournament and I'm not sure why folks are always trying to spew negativity about it. It is great for the smaller schools to have an opportunity to play in a statewide tournament.