Good point.

 

Kentucky is a unique state with one state championship.

 

The All "A" Classic is a unique tournament that gives the smaller schools a chance to have their cake and eat it, too.

 

Like I said to start, it's the perfect compromise.

 

You are analyzing it too much. It is what it is.

Good point.

Kentucky is a unique state with one state championship.

 

The All "A" Classic is a unique tournament that gives the smaller schools a chance to have their cake and eat it, too.

 

Like I said to start, it's the perfect compromise.

 

You are analyzing it too much. It is what it is.

 

So with the bolded you more or less have agreed with me that the All A is actually not a state championship, am I correct in this?

There's one postseason state championship recognized by the KHSAA that EVERYONE has a chance to win.

 

There is a Class A state title for all the state's smaller schools that they treat as a state championship.

 

It is, as I've said, the perfect compromise.

There's one postseason state championship recognized by the KHSAA that EVERYONE has a chance to win.

 

There is a Class A state title for all the state's smaller schools that they treat as a state championship.

 

It is, as I've said, the perfect compromise.

 

The bolded makes my point for me. It is the only state title in KY.

 

The "Class A state title" is a misnomer as there are not 125 Class A schools in KY. That is, of course, not taking into account that the only state title in KY is the one acknowledged by the KHSAA.

None of us have said it's recognized by the KHSAA. That's a fact.

 

It's still a state championship for the participating teams. That's also a fact.

None of us have said it's recognized by the KHSAA. That's a fact.

 

It's still a state championship for the participating teams. That's also a fact.

 

 

The only official state championship is the one recognized by the KHSAA. As you yourself said:

 

Kentucky is a unique state with one state championship.

 

In the minds of the teams it may be a "fact" but that does not make it the state title in Kentucky. As you have already acknowledged there is but one of those and it is awarded at the end of the Sweet 16 tournament as sanctioned by the KHSAA.

 

That some consider it to be a state title does not make it a state title as the only state title is awarded by the KHSAA.

How and why?

 

The KHSAA only counts it as the winner of the Sweet 16.

 

Saying it is so does not make it so.

 

I believe what makes it legit is all the schools under a certain school population participate. If there was a region or section of the state that did not participate then it would not be legit. But Shelby Valley has an unquestionable claim as champion over all the schools in Ky. that qualify for the All A tournament.

Those of us involved in the tournament, with teams eligible for the tournament, treat it as a state championship.

 

That's what we've been saying from the start of this debate.

 

Your efforts to downplay it won't change how the participants feel about the All "A" Classic.

I believe what makes it legit is all the schools under a certain school population participate. If there was a region or section of the state that did not participate then it would not be legit. But Shelby Valley has an unquestionable claim as champion over all the schools in Ky. that qualify for the All A tournament.

 

 

But there is no regulating body to verify such a claim as a state title. They are unquestionably the "All A Tournament Champion," I will never try to argue otherwise. Given the level of competition it is no mean feat either.

 

I am simply trying to point out that since it is not sanctioned as a state title by the KHSAA, it isn't a true state title. It is the All A Classic Champion title.

Those of us involved in the tournament, with teams eligible for the tournament, treat it as a state championship.

 

That's what we've been saying from the start of this debate.

 

Your efforts to downplay it won't change how the participants feel about the All "A" Classic.

 

 

I am not trying to downplay it!! WHERE WHERE WHERE have I said "I think the teams that are in it are inferior and I am here to downplay it as an accomplishment."

 

I have openly stated that I am certain my own school's team could not compete effectively even IF we were invited (which we wouldn't be on account of enrollment). I have even stated on numerous occasions that I believe it is a considerable accomplishment to win such a tournament as it is a field of competitive and good teams.

 

ALL I am saying and ALL I have been trying to say from the word go was that it is a Tournament Championship, not a State Championship.

 

As you yourself said there is but one State Championship for Basketball in Kentucky and it is awarded to the winner of the Sweet 16.

 

I have never said the winning the All A is not a great accomplishment, I am just saying that it is not a state title because it is not the one awarded by the KHSAA.

It is a tournament championship that covers the entire state, thus a state championship.

 

Not an official championship, according to the KHSAA, but it is the only tournament taking in all the state's Class A teams.

It is a tournament championship that covers the entire state, thus a state championship.

 

Not an official championship, according to the KHSAA, but it is the only tournament taking in all the state's Class A teams.

 

A title for a tournament that covers a state does not inherently make it a state championship. It is a Tournament Championship, a very competitive one to be sure, but it is not a state championship. If it isn't the official championship, it isn't a state championship.

 

There is but 1 state title in KY and it is the Sweet 16 title. If you all want recognition as a state title then you probably should petition the KHSAA to split basketball into classes. That way the All A Champion will be a true state champion. Not just a Tournament Champion with pretenses of being a State Champion.

 

Just out of curiosity, why is it still called the All A now that the classifications that led to that designation has since changed? Are all the teams involved in this tournament actually Class A teams? Should not the field have changed to only incorporate those teams from Class A?

What part of perfect compromise am I not getting across?

 

If you split into official classes, then the small schools couldn't play for the "official" state championship in March.

 

They like it this way. They can do both.

What part of perfect compromise am I not getting across?

 

If you split into official classes, then the small schools couldn't play for the "official" state championship in March.

 

They like it this way. They can do both.

 

 

It isn't perfect because there is only 1 official championship. If it is split into official classes then the small schools get to compete for their championship, just like they do in all the other sports. Are you telling me that the schools in A don't think that their title is just as official as those in 6A?

 

They can't do both, because the ONLY OFFICIAL championship is the one from the KHSAA. If they split into say, 3 classes then there would be THREE official championships. This I think would make more sense than 1 official state champion and 1 with pretenses to being one.

 

This isn't a perfect compromise because it does not lead to a true state title for the winner of the tournament.

 

The only way it is a compromise is that the perception of this is that it is a title to those who compete and thus provides the illusion of winning a state title, when in reality it is not.

Good argument guys, many points have been brought up. I would like to add some of my thoughts for discussion, in you need any more:

 

1. I am from a 1A school in football, and a school that is eligible for the "All A Classic", I have never considered the "All A Classic" as a State Championship. I have to agree with PepRock on this point. I have never heard anyone from my school refer to it as a State Championship. I'm not saying that some don't, just that I do not refer to it as such. It is a great tournament, and winning it, or even qualifying for it is a great accomplishment.

 

2. As for the "A" classification, I have to disagree with PepRock on this point, if, I said if, Kentucky went to a classification for basketball, there is nothing to say that they have to be the same alignment as is used for football. A class "A" in basketball could encompass what the class A, class AA, and part of the class AAA is in football. Kentucky could only have two or three classes in basketball as compared to six classes in football.

 

3. Again, I have to disagree with you PepRock on the sanctioning of the tournament. Raceland recently won the 1A State Weight lifting Competition. That is not sanctioned by the KHSAA as a sport, or as a Championship, but I see it as a state sport and a state championship. All the schools are welcome to compete, if they have lifters qualify for the meet. I consider weightlifting a sport, I doubt many would disagree, even if the KHSAA does not over see it. So, an event does not have to be sanctioned by the KHSAA to be valid.