I heard that we may be going to a 5 class system very soon. Can anyone shed some light on that?

 

Not heard anything about it.

I don't care how many, or how few classes you have. The number of classes isn't what decides the success, and the culture of success within a football program. The same teams win, because these teams have a culture of success. The lone clear beneficiary of the new class system has been Louisville Central.

Every team makes the playoffs in every sport in Kentucky, ... except for football.

Football, like it or not, is different than any other sport in that can only safely be played once a week. That is why not every team makes it to the postseason, but some football people would have you think that it's some sort of discrimination.

For my questions: What will it mean if five of the six classes have threepeat champions after this year? Will it matter to the powers that be if five of the six classes have threepeat champions? What about if three, or four, or all five have fourpeat champions, or fivepeat champions? How many would it take to show that six classes are to many classes for Kentucky Football?

 

I think it will mean that those five teams have dominated their respective class for the past three years.

 

I am reasonably sure that nobody on Fort Campbell feels their two recent State Championships are watered down. We can and probably will argue four verses six classes for years to come, but who does it hurt that there are six State Champions instead of four? Does it hurt Trinity or Highlands? Does it hurt Bell Co or Fort Campbell? Does it hurt Reidland or Butler?

 

My point is I haven’t read an argument for who the six class system hurts, only that it is watered down. However, many other states with populations close to or lower then Kentucky also have 5, 6, 7, or more classes so it doesn’t seem to be unprecedented.

I don't care how many, or how few classes you have. The number of classes isn't what decides the success, and the culture of success within a football program. The same teams win, because these teams have a culture of success.

No argument there.

The lone clear beneficiary of the new class system has been Louisville Central.

In terms of winning a state title ... yes.

 

But there is also some benefit by advancement. I would say that Lone Oak, who had never sniffed the state championship game before six classes, is one that qualifies. The same could be said for Hazard and Bullitt East, both of whom benefitted by having some rather large obstacles pulled out of their way by classification.

The lone clear beneficiary of the new class system has been Louisville Central.

I think a case can be made that Bell County has benefitted, with regard to winning a title. I think it may have been very difficult for Bell County to win state in 2008, if the old 4-class system were in place, since I suspect that Highlands would have posed problems for them.

 

I agree with LN's previous post. Whether it's 31 teams or 100 teams in your class, what really matters is the handful of teams in each class that have made a major commitment to winning a state football title each year. Let's face it, in 2008 Trinity was not really competing with 31 other programs in 6A... they were really only competing with 3 or 4 programs to win state (heck, a case can be made that they were really only competing with 1 team - Saint X).

 

I think LN is right when he says that there could be some longer-term "pay-offs" to the expanded class system, since it may stimulate more football programs to increase their level of seriousness and dedication to playing top-level football. Central is a great example... for years everyone know that the football talent level was high at Central, and yet they were often just a mediocre program. But their recent experiences with success have likely been a positive-feedback cycle which will serve to turn Central into a perennial KY football power, regardless of class. I wonder what their program would look like in a few years if they didn't win these two state titles, compared to what it will look like given their recent successes.

As long as Central is in 3A they will continue to win state titles on a regular basis.

As long as Central is in 3A they will continue to win state titles on a regular basis.

 

Not only that... they will continue to compete with the likes of the 6A Louisville powers (look at how they played Saint X recently) and other major programs like Highlands (consider 2007 for evidence) on a consistent basis.

 

In other words, Central winning titles is not meaningless... their level of play (which is a manifestation of the overall quality of their football program) has objectively improved.

You both probably support in good programs. The "offense" of this system to you is that your team has to play one extra game to eliminate those "undeserving" teams.

 

Please tell me how that harms you or your team.

 

 

Indiana allows all football teams into the playoffs, as Kentucky does in baseball & basketball. I do not hear any of their winners complaining.

Indiana allows all football teams into the playoffs, as Kentucky does in baseball & basketball. I do not hear any of their winners complaining.

But Indiana is a basketball state, Kentucky is a football state. :clap:

Not only that... they will continue to compete with the likes of the 6A Louisville powers (look at how they played Saint X recently) and other major programs like Highlands (consider 2007 for evidence) on a consistent basis.

 

In other words, Central winning titles is not meaningless... their level of play (which is a manifestation of the overall quality of their football program) has objectively improved.

 

Having 2-3 of D-1 players and best football players in the state, doesnt hurt. I don't know if can call them a quality football program or just state they have a bunch of quality athletes!

I heard that we may be going to a 5 class system very soon. Can anyone shed some light on that?

 

The only time I could see the KHSAA falling down to five classes is if the private schools were to be separated. The sheer lack of numbers would force the shrinking of classes. But...I don't see any of that happening!

Having 2-3 of D-1 players and best football players in the state, doesnt hurt. I don't know if can call them a quality football program or just state they have a bunch of quality athletes!

From what I understand, Central has never been short on athletic talent. I don't believe this is a new development.

Yeah, but sending 2 seniors to an SEC school and having a Junior that might be rated best in the state is probably better than they have had in a few years.

This new system sees almost every team make the palyoffs and it isn't an accomplishment to make the playoffs. This systrm also makes the state championship worth a whole lot less than what it used to be worth.:ohbrother: