Ram Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 After the creation of the six class system in Kentucky, the change was met with scepticism and dislike. People said that we have to give it a year to see how it works. After the first full year of the six class alignment, people said that you can't judge the system after only one year. So, we have watched for two years. Is two years long enough? How about three? For my questions: What will it mean if five of the six classes have threepeat champions after this year? Will it matter to the powers that be if five of the six classes have threepeat champions? What about if three, or four, or all five have fourpeat champions, or fivepeat champions? How many would it take to show that six classes are to many classes for Kentucky Football?
footballhd Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 Boyle won 5 in a row when there was only 4 classes. Highlands won 3 in a row from 1998-2000. Beechwood has had multiple strings of 2-3 in a row. I guess I am saying, that the usual suspects are still winning the state titles and will probably continue to win them. Basically the 6a system has made it a little easier for them to win, but has given some other teams a chance to make it to the title game.
mexitucky Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 This is a stupid system. This state is not large enough to support 6 classes. 5 is pushing it. When you are a state champ in football in KY, you are the champion over 31 other teams in your class. That is watered down in my opinion.
footballhd Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 This is a stupid system. This state is not large enough to support 6 classes. 5 is pushing it. When you are a state champ in football in KY, you are the champion over 31 other teams in your class. That is watered down in my opinion. So whats the magic number to be champion over? 45 teams, 58 teams, 100 teams?
Ram Posted March 26, 2009 Author Posted March 26, 2009 Boyle won 5 in a row when there was only 4 classes. Highlands won 3 in a row from 1998-2000. Beechwood has had multiple strings of 2-3 in a row. I guess I am saying, that the usual suspects are still winning the state titles and will probably continue to win them. Basically the 6a system has made it a little easier for them to win, but has given some other teams a chance to make it to the title game. You are correct, but that was one team dominating one class for a period of time. What does it say when three, four, or five teams are dominating their respective classes. I can see one team having a great run for two or three years, that is a testament to that program, but when four or five teams are having great runs in their classes, that is a testament to the quality of the system.
footballhd Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 I still think these same teams would be winning it under the 4 class system. Now some of them might get paired up in either the championship game or before, but Trinity, Highlands, and Beechwood would still be winning it under the old class system. Just my opinion though. I think the system is fine. The more teams that can play for a state championship the better it is for the players. They are the ones that are experiencing it.
C6H0-83 Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 When you have teams that technically can go winless during the regular season and make the playoffs, it is not a good system. You will continue to have the same teams dominate their class, not just a 2 or 3peat but for much longer. Unless something is put in that if you 3peat as state champions, or possibly even making the title game 3 years in a row, you have to move up in class for a year or two. That may help even things out, and do what I think the 6 class system was set up to do....let every high school experience playoff success.
ft bronc Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 Too many classes, way too many teams making the playoffs who don't belong there, about one too many games played to get to the championship game. To me the argument is not if the playoffs are watered down, it's whether watered down playoffs are a good idea. For me, the answer is NO.
ft bronc Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 When you have teams that technically can go winless during the regular season and make the playoffs, it is not a good system. You will continue to have the same teams dominate their class, not just a 2 or 3peat but for much longer. Unless something is put in that if you 3peat as state champions, or possibly even making the title game 3 years in a row, you have to move up in class for a year or two. That may help even things out, and do what I think the 6 class system was set up to do....let every high school experience playoff success. That would penalize hard work & reward complacency. Not fair at all to the kids who come behind a year or two of strong jr/sr classes.
C6H0-83 Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 That would penalize hard work & reward complacency. Not fair at all to the kids who come behind a year or two of strong jr/sr classes. My point exactly, the current system rewards complacency by allowing at least a dozen teams into the playoffs that have no business being there. The Beechwoods, Highlands, Boyle Countys, etc will be able to compete whether there are 6 or 3 classes. They probably wouldn't be able to run the table for mulitple years in a row but would be competitive.
Guest Bluto Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 That would penalize hard work & reward complacency. Not fair at all to the kids who come behind a year or two of strong jr/sr classes. My point exactly, the current system rewards complacency by allowing at least a dozen teams into the playoffs that have no business being there. The Beechwoods, Highlands, Boyle Countys, etc will be able to compete whether there are 6 or 3 classes. They probably wouldn't be able to run the table for mulitple years in a row but would be competitive. You both probably support in good programs. The "offense" of this system to you is that your team has to play one extra game to eliminate those "undeserving" teams. Please tell me how that harms you or your team.
leatherneck Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 6 classes may water down the competition and may make it easier for several teams to win multiple state championships, but I strongly believe that the kids playing in the state championship games and those on the champion teams don't even consider those thoughts before and after the games. If you believe that success begets more and greater success, then I think that having 6 classes will ultimately improve Ky football. I'm only using common sense here, but I'd think it would be much easier for the head coaches to get the better athletes out of the halls and onto the field if he could point out to them that the team last year won the region or won the semis. I think those accomplishments could help build a youth program. With more classes, that means more teams can have those accomplishments. It's very tough to build a strong football program at a lot of schools and often requires baby steps. Almost anything that the KHSAA can do to help that occur is probably worth it in my mind. Is there a point that the system gets watered down so as to make those accomplishments meaningless? Sure. I'm just not sure it's to that point. The counterpoint to the argument that you only have to be the best of 31 teams in your class to be the state championship in the 6 class system is the fact that the quality of football has improved so much. Back in the old days with 3 classes before Ky football had improved to the quality that it is today, as a state champion you may have been the best of 75 teams in your class, but if most of them were not making any committment to football, how was that a bigger accomplishment than being the best of 31 with a lot of those 31 making a real committment to football?
Commander 25 Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 I think that the six class system is okay the problem is with how many teams make the playoffs. I think only the winner and runner-up from each district should make the playoffs.
MountainThunder Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 When you have teams that technically can go winless during the regular season and make the playoffs, it is not a good system. You will continue to have the same teams dominate their class, not just a 2 or 3peat but for much longer. Unless something is put in that if you 3peat as state champions, or possibly even making the title game 3 years in a row, you have to move up in class for a year or two. That may help even things out, and do what I think the 6 class system was set up to do....let every high school experience playoff success. Every team makes the playoffs in every sport in Kentucky, ... except for football. I have no problem with the 6 class system except for the 4 team districts. But we had some of those in the 4 class system. Just more of them now.
HouseofPain Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 I heard that we may be going to a 5 class system very soon. Can anyone shed some light on that?
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