You are never going to know that because I understand there was either no or a very limited autopsy with no core temp readings.

 

On facts alone I don't think the state can prove their case but on emotion anything is possible.

 

Why did they not do an autopsy? Or a full one? Seems like someone really messed up! You have a dead teenager who was supposedly in good health, could it have been something other than no water? Could it have been some undetected health issues? We see this all too often with young athletes and it's not out of the possibility here.

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/40715327.html

 

I posted this in another thread but then decided it may need one of its own. Stinson admits he withheld water from players the same day Max Gilpin collapsed. He said Gilpin wasn't one of the players denied water. A high school kids sees others denied water at a practice he is not gonna ask the coach for water either. This guy just sealed his coaching career he should be prosecuted to the fullest and made an example of for his arrogance and stupidity.

 

I agree that this admission wont help his case.

 

The article is still very vague and still almost constitutes a witch hunt because he may have denied water but for 5 minutes, 10 minutes, all day. It never states how long. It is not unusual for players to ask a coach for a water break and the coach deny them until the drill is over or the coach may simply state in just a second. Still lots of variables to this and it is an unfortunate situation but calling for his head over this article isn't fair either IMO. It doesn't sound well I'll admit but let it go to the court first to fully get the facts before his career is hung eternally as you state.

 

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This is a constant issue in every sport, and I would hope a jury could understand these points. Hope is the key word!

 

You are never going to know that because I understand there was either no or a very limited autopsy with no core temp readings.

 

On facts alone I don't think the state can prove their case but on emotion anything is possible.

 

It is a shame that there was no autopsy, but I believe you hit the nail on the head. I would hate to see him convicted on emotion. Without an autopsy, it seems that is the major weapon the prosecution has.

Why did they not do an autopsy? Or a full one? Seems like someone really messed up! You have a dead teenager who was supposedly in good health, could it have been something other than no water? Could it have been some undetected health issues? We see this all too often with young athletes and it's not out of the possibility here.

 

 

That's struck me as weird from the beginning. Despite the parent's wishes, I would have expected that the coroner would do an autopsy. As a parent, I would have demanded an autopsy. I'm befuddled as to why the parents did not want one.

I have said all along, with no autopsy, all the defense has to do is show that it COULD have been an undetected previously existing illness and that the coach will walk.

That's struck me as weird from the beginning. Despite the parent's wishes, I would have expected that the coroner would do an autopsy. As a parent, I would have demanded an autopsy. I'm befuddled as to why the parents did not want one.

 

100% AGREE with you!!!!!!

I have said all along, with no autopsy, all the defense has to do is show that it COULD have been an undetected previously existing illness and that the coach will walk.

 

The coach may or may not walk but, one thing is for sure he will live with the results of his descision for the rest of his life. Even if it was something he did or did not do a life was taken and his life will never be the same. This is a sad situation all around and I feel for the parents of this young man who died.

I know there are some religions that will not allow for autopsies to be performed. I am wondering if this family may be in one of the religions and that is why one was not done or only done partiallly. Just throwing that out there.

The coach may or may not walk but, one thing is for sure he will live with the results of his descision for the rest of his life. Even if it was something he did or did not do a life was taken and his life will never be the same. This is a sad situation all around and I feel for the parents of this young man who died.

 

I agree with you entirely.

I know there are some religions that will not allow for autopsies to be performed. I am wondering if this family may be in one of the religions and that is why one was not done or only done partiallly. Just throwing that out there.

 

I thought the same thing. Regardless, the lack of autopsy allows for reasonable doubt.

I know there are some religions that will not allow for autopsies to be performed. I am wondering if this family may be in one of the religions and that is why one was not done or only done partiallly. Just throwing that out there.

 

Their church is Valley View Church. It's associated with the Long Run Baptist Association, the Kentucky Baptist Convention and the Southern Baptist Convention. They don't choose to use Baptist in their name because

However, we have made a choice not to use "Baptist" in our name because in our demographic setting this word is misunderstood by so many people and there are so many variations of "Baptist" churches. Additionally, we have also found it to be a barrier that prevents us from reaching the unchurched and unsaved. Our passion to reach people is greater than our commitment to our traditions.

 

Their association with several Baptist organizations lead me to believe they espouse the Baptist doctrines, maybe a cross section of several disciplines. But I don't see anything that leads me to believe they're associated with a religious belief against autopsies.

Valley View is where the coach attends and teaches a class there.

 

Baptists have no say so or disagreement with preforming autopsies.

Thanks for the info I know it''s one like either witnesses or something along those lines that forbid autopsies. I wasn't say his family did just wondering because of some religions beliefs.

There are way to many questions with this case......putting Coach Stinson behind bars won't bring Max back, or fix anything. Believe me, he has to live with this the rest of his life anyway.....let Max RIP, and move on.

I played football and practiced through 90+ degree weather very often. A thing that always helped us players was on the first day of summer practices we had to take a fitness test. If we failed the test we could not practice until we passed it. You could only take it once a day. As a coach this would ensure you that every player was in physical shape and would prevent less problems. I wonder if PRP did any type of fitness test?

I played football and practiced through 90+ degree weather very often. A thing that always helped us players was on the first day of summer practices we had to take a fitness test. If we failed the test we could not practice until we passed it. You could only take it once a day. As a coach this would ensure you that every player was in physical shape and would prevent less problems. I wonder if PRP did any type of fitness test?

 

This is very interesting. What were the specifics of the fitness test?