Schools have not removed patriotism. Many schools have events centered around veterans and have speakers come in from the military. We still start every day with the pledge and our basketball games with the national anthem. Walk in my classroom and you will see an american flag with a photo of my uncle in his sailor's uniform from Korea and my father in his army dress uniform between tours of Vietnam.

 

Schools have not removed the basic fundamentals of education. We just go beyond that now and cover more depth, making it more meaningful.

 

Schools may have removed the belt, but they have not removed the discipline. The "inmates" do not "run the asylum" at all schools. I invite those that are in schools where the "inmates" do to come and shadow our principal and assistant principal.

 

In the grand scheme of things, religion hasn't even been removed from the schools. Students can still be christian (or, dare I say...jewish, muslim, hindu, ect) and pray when they want. They can wear crosses or stars of david or other symbols. They can read the Bible and say grace before their meal. They learn about a variety of religions in there world civilizations classes. The difference is that it is not forced on anyone.

 

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The Bible and the belt do not belong in schools. Schools are for learning. They are not for religion or beatings.

 

Not to get into any heated argument here or anything but I disagree. Yes, schools are for learning. Schools are also for dicipline and imo you have to have dicipline. So, I fully believe in the Bible and the belt should be put back in schools. Problems started when they were taken out of our schools!

I agree that this principals actions (unless there was a threat/weapon involved) were way over the line but to say "the belt" equals beatings is imo ridiculous. I certainly do not believe in beatings, "the belt" is a description for a form of dicipline (spanking) that alot of us grew up with and respected. As for the Bible and God, both have been taken away slowly from our society and it certainly shows, imo both belong and should be availible for everyone everywhere in every aspect of our lives and not banned. JMO

 

I won't discuss it on this thread any further to take the thread any further away from the original title. (a single incident involving this principal)

Schools have not removed patriotism. Many schools have events centered around veterans and have speakers come in from the military. We still start every day with the pledge and our basketball games with the national anthem. Walk in my classroom and you will see an american flag with a photo of my uncle in his sailor's uniform from Korea and my father in his army dress uniform between tours of Vietnam.

 

Schools have not removed the basic fundamentals of education. We just go beyond that now and cover more depth, making it more meaningful.

 

Schools may have removed the belt, but they have not removed the discipline. The "inmates" do not "run the asylum" at all schools. I invite those that are in schools where the "inmates" do to come and shadow our principal and assistant principal.

 

In the grand scheme of things, religion hasn't even been removed from the schools. Students can still be christian (or, dare I say...jewish, muslim, hindu, ect) and pray when they want. They can wear crosses or stars of david or other symbols. They can read the Bible and say grace before their meal. They learn about a variety of religions in there world civilizations classes. The difference is that it is not forced on anyone.

 

And btw, the comparison of children in schools to "inmates" in an "asylum" is a little disturbing to me.

I want to start by saying that I firmly believe that paddlings should be allowed in school. At least in elementary and middle school. I think if high school a principal / administration should be allowed to restrain a student if need be. If they ask a student to leave a class and the student refuses then they should be allowed to physically remove the student. I agree that students have gotten out of hand because they know nothing can be done. Discipline has all but vanished in most schools. I also think that any time a situation has the possiblity to get physical there should be multiple school personal present.

 

With that said, in no way shape or form should a grown man do what this idiot did to this kid. This was not discipline it was assault. Other then the kid actually pulling a weapon nothing he could have done warranted what happened. The principle graped the kid by both arms, IMO pushed him to an area that he thought was out of view of the camera, then picked the boy up, slammed in to the ground, picked him up and slammed him again. I am shocked that anyone in the right mind would defend this action and anyone with a child would say they would want the same for their child if they deserved it. If the boy was not doing what was being asked of him I can understand physically forcing him to. But what this man did makes me sick and if it were my child I would be in jail for assault.

Picking a kid up and slamming him twice is not detaining. The principal has probably close to 100 pounds on the kid. You justify it all you want but what if this was your son? You wouldn't have a problem at all with a grown man picking him up and slamming him on the ground?

 

If it were my son and he did something to tick off a principal like that the principal slamming him would be the least of his worries.

When I grew up if you got in trouble at school you got in more trouble at home. These days it seems parents side with the kids and it has ruined a generation.

If it were my son and he did something to tick off a principal like that the principal slamming him would be the least of his worries.

When I grew up if you got in trouble at school you got in more trouble at home. These days it seems parents side with the kids and it has ruined a generation.

 

You have made a broad statement about how a generation has been "ruined".

 

First of all, I believe that there are more good kids in schools these days than there are bad. Secondly, how do you know how all parents treat their kids?

If it were my son and he did something to tick off a principal like that the principal slamming him would be the least of his worries.

When I grew up if you got in trouble at school you got in more trouble at home. These days it seems parents side with the kids and it has ruined a generation.

Trust me, if I got in trouble in school I got it far worse at home. But I can also assure you that if a grown man put his hands on me in the manner in which this moron did my he had better hope the police got to him before my dad did.

I have been a teacher for 21 years and a principal for 1 year(enough to convince me it wasn't what I wanted to do) but you can't let students "push your buttons" because when they do "They won". If there was a weapon involved he was right in doing what he did. You should never loose your cool with students, parents(and believe me it is harder to deal with their parents than the students). Both my parents were teachers/principals and I knew I would get worse at home than from any teacher.

I hate it for the student, I hate it for the principal, for all educators that are trying to make a difference but we have a lot we go up against.

I hope this is taken care of very quickly.

Trust me, if I got in trouble in school I got it far worse at home. But I can also assure you that if a grown man put his hands on me in the manner in which this moron did my he had better hope the police got to him before my dad did.

 

I agree with all of this OTHER THAN the assumption that the kid hadn't done something to deserve it.

 

If the kid didn't do anything to deserve the attack then my dad would have been the same way.

You have made a broad statement about how a generation has been "ruined".

 

First of all, I believe that there are more good kids in schools these days than there are bad. Secondly, how do you know how all parents treat their kids?

 

 

I agree there are more good than bad, but I would argue the percentages are much closer than they used to be. You used to be able to name the "bad kids" in school. Today there are way too many troublemakers to do that.

 

I know that it is society's position that "fear" be taken out of the educational process. That is blatantly obvious with the laws and policies that are in place today. I don't know how all parents treat their kids, but I do think there is a general attitude against physical punishment both in the schools and at home. IMO fear is a VITAL part of education. When used with a spirit of love, I believe that punishment with intent to teach a lesson is a very effective way to maximize educational opportunities.

 

This generation has suffered because many parents would rather be friends with their children rather than being a responsible parent focused on rearing the child.

I agree with all of this OTHER THAN the assumption that the kid hadn't done something to deserve it.

 

If the kid didn't do anything to deserve the attack then my dad would have been the same way.

The only thing the kid could have done to deserve what happened would have been to pull a weapon of some sort.

I agree there are more good than bad, but I would argue the percentages are much closer than they used to be. You used to be able to name the "bad kids" in school. Today there are way too many troublemakers to do that.

 

I know that it is society's position that "fear" be taken out of the educational process. That is blatantly obvious with the laws and policies that are in place today. I don't know how all parents treat their kids, but I do think there is a general attitude against physical punishment both in the schools and at home. IMO fear is a VITAL part of education. When used with a spirit of love, I believe that punishment with intent to teach a lesson is a very effective way to maximize educational opportunities.

 

This generation has suffered because many parents would rather be friends with their children rather than being a responsible parent focused on rearing the child.

 

I believe numerous studies have proven that physical punishment does not always work out the way it is intended. I do not think that any child should ever have to fear being hit by any authority figure while at school.

 

I do not think we can make any judgments on the younger generations right now, as they have not had time to prove whether or not they have been "ruined" just yet.

I agree there are more good than bad, but I would argue the percentages are much closer than they used to be. You used to be able to name the "bad kids" in school. Today there are way too many troublemakers to do that.

I know that it is society's position that "fear" be taken out of the educational process. That is blatantly obvious with the laws and policies that are in place today. I don't know how all parents treat their kids, but I do think there is a general attitude against physical punishment both in the schools and at home. IMO fear is a VITAL part of education. When used with a spirit of love, I believe that punishment with intent to teach a lesson is a very effective way to maximize educational opportunities.

 

This generation has suffered because many parents would rather be friends with their children rather than being a responsible parent focused on rearing the child.

 

I disagree with the bolded. The culture of my school has changed drastically in only one year, due to a new principal and assistant principal that hold students to high standards and don't "excuse" those that come from bad homes. We don't cater to the troublemakers anymore...and many of those that fit that category last year no longer are in that column this year. We are down to about 0.02% of the school populations being "troublemakers" which we define as those that ordinary disciplinary procedures do not work with.

So teachers today should just let kids walk out of school with no problem? Too bad the principal did not call the cops and then they could have cuffed him on the ground or wherever and the kid could have been the one under arrest.

Where is the kid's father in all of this ?