These tournaments at this time are 2-3 days at the max, a class tournament would be about a 2 week tournament probably consisting of 6-7 games depending on how many teams are in your class in your particular region and how far you get. I mean it's just my opinion, if I were an athlete I would not really care about winning a class tourney that is not going to even show as a championship to the KHSAA when the greatest show is hoops is right around the corner in March.

 

Good argument and you're probably right, but I was only saying this so that it wasn't just the all "a". :thumb:

If there are 256 schools in the state now (64 4 school districts) then that would divide evenly into 4 64 team classes. Then for each class that would be a 6 game tourney for two teams, a five game tourney for two other teams, a four game tourney for four others, a three game tourney for eight other teams, 2 games for 16 teams and 1 game for 32 teams in each class. I know there aren't exactly 256 schools but that's pretty close to what four classes would split into.

If there are 256 schools in the state now (64 4 school districts) then that would divide evenly into 4 64 team classes. Then for each class that would be a 6 game tourney for two teams, a five game tourney for two other teams, a four game tourney for four others, a three game tourney for eight other teams, 2 games for 16 teams and 1 game for 32 teams in each class. I know there aren't exactly 256 schools but that's pretty close to what four classes would split into.

 

As I have said I think it could be done fairly easy just as the all "a" is done. :thumb:

The Khsaa Sweet 16 is the only reason I don't go to the

SEC tournament. Don't ever change it!! 5 players can win it all. It is different when it is 11 on 11 or maybe even 9 on 9 in baseball. I would go for classes in baseball, but never in basketball.

Ask the last state to convert to the class system - Indiana - what they think of their new-found system. I work with people in Indiana, have relatives in Indiana, and interact with a lot of Hoosiers...I've yet to meet a person who likes the class system...they wish they had the old "Hoosier Hysteria" back. I'm certain that there are those in Indiana who like the new class system - but I've never found them.

 

The new class system in Indiana pretty much destroyed a lot of local rivalries, and created sectionals with teams stretched far and wide.

 

The fact is that small schools can compete with the bigs more often in basketball (than in, say, football). It's an apples-and-oranges comparison. It only takes 7 or 8 kids who are disciplined and coachable, a good coach, and a supportive administration. And smaller schools have won the KY championship in the not-so-distant past...

 

1992 - University Heights ("A" basketball)

1995 - Breckinridge County (4A football)

1996 - Paintsville (1A football))

2002 - Lexington Catholic (4A football)

2009 - Elliott County ("A" basketball)????? Ranked in Top 5 Whether the Lions win it or not, they've proven yet again that small schools can compete with the bigs, even if not every year. And we can find this throughout the state...in Region 8, the team many are thinking may win the 8th is the North Oldham Mustangs - a football 3A school that is much smaller than 8th Region rivals such as Oldham County, Grant County, Shelby County, South Oldham, and Anderson County.

 

The class system in basketball sends all the wrong messages...it says to the kids (of the smaller schools) that "You cannot win. You are inferior, therefore, we're going to grant you the opportunity for a consolation prize, because you can't beat the big schools. But don't worry - we will help you win by changing the rules." It's no different than a tournament manager manipulating brackets to ensure his team gets a shot at some hardware.

 

It's the "victim" society, that wants a handout because it's been mistreated by the hand that life has dealt it. Instead of developing internal pride and drive, we look for someone to give us a lift up.

 

If sports' greatest contribution to our kids is to teach them some lifetime lessons, then this doesn't cut it. Life doesn't award "participation trophies." I want my son to learn not to shy away from a challenge - whether from a competitor who is similar to his team or one that is much bigger and (perhaps) more powerful. I want him to learn the basic tenant of life: That you can succeed no matter what your circumstances.

 

My son goes to a larger school - he's a freshman at a school that plays 5A football and he's on the baseball team. But - despite the school's size - the freshman baseball team last year won just 6 games. They played a brutal schedule that had to have been put together by a psychopath - it was a veritable "who's who" of KY baseball. But the experience was a good one for my son - he's learned that he's not a quitter, and that he can and will battle, regardless of the circumstances. An easier schedule would have resulted in 18-20 wins...but my son now finds that he doesn't want an easier schedule...he's driven to succeed against the tougher opponents. He wants the opportunity (to be the best of the best). I'm proud of his attitude.

 

This is not being "against the kids". It's about a system in which everyone has a shot at being the undisputed top dog, a race for a title that means a lot to all. Tradition is part of that, but not all of it.

No. Itd take away from so much history and excitment of playing the game. If they changed the current system Id say my high school basketball watching days would be limited if not over.

No No No!!! The Sweet Sixteen is a special event. You start adding other classes and it will be no more.

 

The all A is something I can deal with. Lets be honest, there isn't going to be very many class A schools win the Sweet Sixteen, so I'm ok with them having their own tournament.

Ask the last state to convert to the class system - Indiana - what they think of their new-found system. I work with people in Indiana, have relatives in Indiana, and interact with a lot of Hoosiers...I've yet to meet a person who likes the class system...they wish they had the old "Hoosier Hysteria" back. I'm certain that there are those in Indiana who like the new class system - but I've never found them.

 

The new class system in Indiana pretty much destroyed a lot of local rivalries, and created sectionals with teams stretched far and wide.

 

The fact is that small schools can compete with the bigs more often in basketball (than in, say, football). It's an apples-and-oranges comparison. It only takes 7 or 8 kids who are disciplined and coachable, a good coach, and a supportive administration. And smaller schools have won the KY championship in the not-so-distant past...

 

1992 - University Heights ("A" basketball)

1995 - Breckinridge County (4A football)

1996 - Paintsville (1A football))

2002 - Lexington Catholic (4A football)

2009 - Elliott County ("A" basketball)????? Ranked in Top 5 Whether the Lions win it or not, they've proven yet again that small schools can compete with the bigs, even if not every year. And we can find this throughout the state...in Region 8, the team many are thinking may win the 8th is the North Oldham Mustangs - a football 3A school that is much smaller than 8th Region rivals such as Oldham County, Grant County, Shelby County, South Oldham, and Anderson County.

 

The class system in basketball sends all the wrong messages...it says to the kids (of the smaller schools) that "You cannot win. You are inferior, therefore, we're going to grant you the opportunity for a consolation prize, because you can't beat the big schools. But don't worry - we will help you win by changing the rules." It's no different than a tournament manager manipulating brackets to ensure his team gets a shot at some hardware.

 

It's the "victim" society, that wants a handout because it's been mistreated by the hand that life has dealt it. Instead of developing internal pride and drive, we look for someone to give us a lift up.

 

If sports' greatest contribution to our kids is to teach them some lifetime lessons, then this doesn't cut it. Life doesn't award "participation trophies." I want my son to learn not to shy away from a challenge - whether from a competitor who is similar to his team or one that is much bigger and (perhaps) more powerful. I want him to learn the basic tenant of life: That you can succeed no matter what your circumstances.

 

My son goes to a larger school - he's a freshman at a school that plays 5A football and he's on the baseball team. But - despite the school's size - the freshman baseball team last year won just 6 games. They played a brutal schedule that had to have been put together by a psychopath - it was a veritable "who's who" of KY baseball. But the experience was a good one for my son - he's learned that he's not a quitter, and that he can and will battle, regardless of the circumstances. An easier schedule would have resulted in 18-20 wins...but my son now finds that he doesn't want an easier schedule...he's driven to succeed against the tougher opponents. He wants the opportunity (to be the best of the best). I'm proud of his attitude.

 

This is not being "against the kids". It's about a system in which everyone has a shot at being the undisputed top dog, a race for a title that means a lot to all. Tradition is part of that, but not all of it.

 

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I'm sure a lot of bigger schools could care a less about winning their "class" tournament because they would be worried about the real thing in March. IMO it just would be kind of a waste of time to have 3 or 4 class tournaments in January.

 

All players want to win every tournament they play in, no matter what time of year it is. Why have an annual Christmas tournament, it doesn't mean anything. Well it does to the kids and the coaches.It's really an All A and AA tournament and it means alot to every player. To most of these teams it "is" their state tournament because most of them won't make it out of their region in March. I say have a 3A/4A tournament also, if the big schools don't want to it's their loss.

No, you couldn't have a AA state tournament in January because all the AA teams are now playing in the A State tournament again this year! It seems the organizers have forgotten about the A schools & are looking at money by allowing the AA schools in again.

There can be, all they need is a sponsor. The KHSAA doesn't run the All-A.

Ask the last state to convert to the class system - Indiana - what they think of their new-found system. I work with people in Indiana, have relatives in Indiana, and interact with a lot of Hoosiers...I've yet to meet a person who likes the class system...they wish they had the old "Hoosier Hysteria" back. I'm certain that there are those in Indiana who like the new class system - but I've never found them.

 

The new class system in Indiana pretty much destroyed a lot of local rivalries, and created sectionals with teams stretched far and wide.

 

The fact is that small schools can compete with the bigs more often in basketball (than in, say, football). It's an apples-and-oranges comparison. It only takes 7 or 8 kids who are disciplined and coachable, a good coach, and a supportive administration. And smaller schools have won the KY championship in the not-so-distant past...

 

1992 - University Heights ("A" basketball)

1995 - Breckinridge County (4A football)

1996 - Paintsville (1A football))

2002 - Lexington Catholic (4A football)

2009 - Elliott County ("A" basketball)????? Ranked in Top 5 Whether the Lions win it or not, they've proven yet again that small schools can compete with the bigs, even if not every year. And we can find this throughout the state...in Region 8, the team many are thinking may win the 8th is the North Oldham Mustangs - a football 3A school that is much smaller than 8th Region rivals such as Oldham County, Grant County, Shelby County, South Oldham, and Anderson County.

 

The class system in basketball sends all the wrong messages...it says to the kids (of the smaller schools) that "You cannot win. You are inferior, therefore, we're going to grant you the opportunity for a consolation prize, because you can't beat the big schools. But don't worry - we will help you win by changing the rules." It's no different than a tournament manager manipulating brackets to ensure his team gets a shot at some hardware.

 

It's the "victim" society, that wants a handout because it's been mistreated by the hand that life has dealt it. Instead of developing internal pride and drive, we look for someone to give us a lift up.

 

If sports' greatest contribution to our kids is to teach them some lifetime lessons, then this doesn't cut it. Life doesn't award "participation trophies." I want my son to learn not to shy away from a challenge - whether from a competitor who is similar to his team or one that is much bigger and (perhaps) more powerful. I want him to learn the basic tenant of life: That you can succeed no matter what your circumstances.

 

My son goes to a larger school - he's a freshman at a school that plays 5A football and he's on the baseball team. But - despite the school's size - the freshman baseball team last year won just 6 games. They played a brutal schedule that had to have been put together by a psychopath - it was a veritable "who's who" of KY baseball. But the experience was a good one for my son - he's learned that he's not a quitter, and that he can and will battle, regardless of the circumstances. An easier schedule would have resulted in 18-20 wins...but my son now finds that he doesn't want an easier schedule...he's driven to succeed against the tougher opponents. He wants the opportunity (to be the best of the best). I'm proud of his attitude.

 

This is not being "against the kids". It's about a system in which everyone has a shot at being the undisputed top dog, a race for a title that means a lot to all. Tradition is part of that, but not all of it.

 

 

Couldn't of said it better!!!:notworthy:

All players want to win every tournament they play in, no matter what time of year it is. Why have an annual Christmas tournament, it doesn't mean anything. Well it does to the kids and the coaches.

 

Well said. Kids just want to play; it's us adults that get things all mucked up. I agree; the kids and coaches will give their all to win any tournament they get to play in.

 

I'm really not averse to additional tournaments such as the All-A (although time, space, and money certainly play a role), I'm against the elimination of the Sweet 16 and the creation of a true classification system in a sport that doesn't need it.

 

We need to quit telling our kids what their limits are.

All players want to win every tournament they play in, no matter what time of year it is. Why have an annual Christmas tournament, it doesn't mean anything. Well it does to the kids and the coaches.It's really an All A and AA tournament and it means alot to every player. To most of these teams it "is" their state tournament because most of them won't make it out of their region in March. I say have a 3A/4A tournament also, if the big schools don't want to it's their loss.

 

I totally agree with the bolded statement, but let's be serious now, every kid has the chance to play at Rupp in the back of their minds when something like that is a matter of weeks away!

I feel a class system would totally destroy the State Tournament, but why not, it basically is destroyed now. It has always been great to see all the teams come to to tournament in march, some teams you never heard of, with community following, the chance of a lifetime. Now, with the Loopholes in the KHSAA's rules, what does it mean to get to the state if all you have to do is use the loophole and get the best group of players you can find? I could be wrong in assuming that the kids from Elliot County have probably been together since diaper age and the entire community has grown to know them all for all of their accomplishments, it may be years before another calliber of a teams comes along. Then, someone else after that. That is the part that has made the state tournament so much fun. When teams are able to reload by any and all means necessary, by utilizing a loophole, it isn't fair to players and coaches or fans. The real thrill of the majority of teams that have ever gone to the state tournament is winning the regional, all else is a bonus. Forget the rules, close the rule book, let kids come and go as they please, let it turn into an arms race for all. But its best when the community has known that special group of kids from the time they were virtually in diapers.