Players who are competitors, want to play. The ultimate goal, is the the success of the program. Championship rings, are handed out to those teammates for the overall goal.

I'm surprised by the selfishness...

Yes there are 100 kids on T & X's team. Out of this number, approximately 45-50 play on the two deep roster or special teams every Friday night. Granted the second team does not generally see the field until well into the 3rd and 4th quarter when the game has been decided, but they take advantage of every snap they get. These 50 players are primarily Juniors and Seniors that have waited their turn in line. The rest of the team is made up of Sophomores and Juniors that are not Varsity starters but get plenty of work in practice and playing JV games. Every kid works to the best of their ability everyday in practice and getting that ring is their payoff. Coach Beatty while talking to the team after the State game Saturday night commented that this was a total team effort and thanked every kid for their hard work and commitment. Trinity can't continue to win championships without sophomores and juniors pushing everyday for their chance to play. I know this because I have a Junior doing just that. That's the big difference between private and public schools. Next seasons team began their push for 20 State titles and 5 in a row yesterday in the weightroom. This seasons juniors will be next seasons seniors and will make up another senior dominated starting lineup. There will be 40-50 soon to be sophomores pushing for their chance to get their first ring. 20-30 years from now, they will meet at a reunion and remember what they did as a team to win that State title. I wouldn't want it any other way. :thumb:

Ask the kid (I think his name is Nolan Higgins) who apparently was a 4-year scout team player for Trinity who got to carry the ball about 8 times in the SK-Trinity championship game. From what I hear he did not mind not playing in games. But to each his own. Different strokes, etc.

Nolans a great kid that worked his butt off for the team. He was glowing after the game as were his parents. They understand the concept of team!

I'm surprised by the selfishness...

 

I don't consider wanting to actually get to play the game as being selfish. I admire those scout team players as they make the team better. When I went to college, I went to the place where I had the best chance to participate. I don't see that as being a bad thing and resent being called selfish because I wanted to play the game.

I don't consider wanting to actually get to play the game as being selfish.

 

No, that's human nature. However, to say you'd rather play than be on a championship team is selfish. Every championship team has role players. Any players that don't accept their roles will be detrimental to the team. See Holmes basketball a few years ago.

From a purely monetary and timing standpoint (leave aside the discussion of whether they help the team as a scout player), what about a Freshman player who was given the choice to either continue to practice and dress on FRI night (no realistic hope of playing) after the Freshman season concluded.

 

As a parent, do you shell out $300 - $800 for a ring? What if you are fortunate enough to win more than 1 during those 4 yrs.? Do you spend this kind of $ every year? When do you wear them and which do you wear? Certainly, you can never count on it, but it does happen at some schools.

No, that's human nature. However, to say you'd rather play than be on a championship team is selfish. Every championship team has role players. Any players that don't accept their roles will be detrimental to the team. See Holmes basketball a few years ago.

 

I repeat, just because I wanted to play does not make me selfish and I resent your accusation. As far as being a team player, I can assure you that everyone I played with knew I was a team player. Just because I didn't fit your definition doesn't make me selfish.

 

I agree that players who don't accept their roles will be detrimental to the team, but that was not the question. The question was which would you rather do.

I'll just add, I think every player at Trinity wants to play on Friday nights. However, that won't be reality. I also know that there can't be many (if any) on the team that are there just for the ring. If that's the intent of joining, I'm sure they don't make it for long. It's a ton of work and pain to be a practice dummie for the Rocks. :lol:

I repeat, just because I wanted to play does not make me selfish and I resent your accusation. As far as being a team player, I can assure you that everyone I played with knew I was a team player. Just because I didn't fit your definition doesn't make me selfish.

 

I agree that players who don't accept their roles will be detrimental to the team, but that was not the question. The question was which would you rather do.

 

You'd rather play on a team with little chance to win than be a backup on a team with a good chance to win, regardless of your ability. You're right, that's not selfish...

Play!

It is silly to base an education decision on this criteria in the first place. Go where you want to get an education and everything will fall into place. If you are good enought ot play, then great. If you are not then work hard to get there and/or work hard on the scout team to make the team better. I would have to believe that back-ups on teams like T and X are confident that they would be starters on 90% of all other teams in the state.

You'd rather play on a team with little chance to win than be a backup on a team with a good chance to win, regardless of your ability. You're right, that's not selfish...

 

Noone said regardless of your ability. You keep adding addendums to the question. I played the game in order to PLAY the game. Here was the question:

 

Would you rather go to a school and not play much and win a ring, or would you rather be a full time player and not have such a good chance to win a ring?

 

When I was a younger player I was a scout team player and worked my tail off in that role for the team. I did whatever was asked of me by the coaches for the betterment of the TEAM. When I was ready for varsity action, I played in the role the team wanted me to play. I had the chance in high school to transfer and play for St Xavier or Bishop David (at the time) and have a shot at a ring. I was fortunate enough to have speed. However, I chose to stay at the high school I was at. Why? To graduate and play with my teammates and friends. I gave up a chance to play on a state title contender and chose to stay with my team. That is selfish? I think not. If I was 'selfish' I would have transferred and played to get a ring. I did not abandon my team and wouldn't do that in any situation.

 

But the question was which situation would you rather be in. Given the choice to sit or play, I would rather play.

This question presupposes that the bulk of the kids on a team like that are there for the purpose of playing football. I can't speak for everyone, but I can only assume that the majority of the guys at Trinity were they for the same reason I was: my parents sat me down one day and said, "Son, we're going to give you some school choices... Trinity or St. X?" I went to Trinity because my parents thought it would be the best educational opportunity for me. For a lot of the guys on the football team, that's why they're at Trinity. I know a lot of guys that didn't play very much but you will NEVER hear them speak a word of regret about their decision to attend Trinity. There are things in this world more important than playing in a football game.

You'd rather play on a team with little chance to win than be a backup on a team with a good chance to win, regardless of your ability. You're right, that's not selfish...

 

Selfish is riding the coat tails of others, then showing off your ring.

Edited December 16, 200817 yr by doubledeuce