Have you been through basic training? I have and they break you down mentally and I probably went through the easiest basic out there. Putting others interest and safety in front of your own other than your families is not an altered state?

Have you been through basic training? I have and they break you down mentally and I probably went through the easiest basic out there. Putting others interest and safety in front of your own other than your families is not an altered state?

Dang... if that's brainwashing somebody needs to tell Jesus. :sssh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess my gray matter ain't so gray anymore... :lol:

Guys, let's not avoid the 800-pound gorilla in the room. Today's military is a volunteer profession. Doesn't it make a lot of sense that those who join the military -- and I can't stress the phrase as a general rule enough -- are perhaps a bit bloodthirsty to begin with, and wouldn't really be predisposed to voting Democrat under any circumstances?

That's a ridiculous assertion, IMO.

 

A lot of liberals (particularly left-leaning entertainers and performers) have said and currently say things such as "Why do they always send the poor?" (Ozzy, Serj Tanken, etc.). Is it the poor or the bloodthirsty?

 

Maybe you don't agree with that, but I am just saying that many subscribe to that theory.

I found a little.

 

This is an article from '04.

 

What are your thoughts on the war?

But when 75% of the soldiers are telling you that Obama's message is offensive, does that not speak to you? If so, what does it say? They're brainwashed? They don't know what's good for them? They just don't understand? Or is it that you just don't care?

 

Isn't that what the military wants?

Nope, but it does sound like what the political parties want.

I don't have stats. However, I speak with very solid confidence that there is a 4-1 margin in votes by military personnel for Republicans. Maybe some fine link artists like cch5432 or Habib can find supporting documentation.

 

You totally avoided my questions, but I will answer yours first. When 3/4 of a military unit holds to a position, I side with the majority on what the general consensus is.

 

 

That does not mean that military personnel share one view on the war in those same proportions.

 

And there are larger strategic foreign policy issues than what is happening within Iraq. The Founding Fathers wisely placed the military under civilian leadership so that all policy decisions could be considered in a balanced context.

Have you been through basic training? I have and they break you down mentally and I probably went through the easiest basic out there. Putting others interest and safety in front of your own other than your families is not an altered state?

 

I was not in the military, so to better understand what it is all about I talked to people who were in combat. Yes putting you and the safety of your buddies 'on the battlefield does come 1st'. At that moment you are the ones fighting for your lives, but in doing so you are preserving our way of life.

I cannot quote the 1 gentleman I once talked to, but here is the essence of what he said, when it comes to a fight with the enemy you are not fighting for flag and country or your loved ones, but you are trying to keep yourself and your buddies alive. This gentleman did not mention it, but one of his friends later told me he had won the Medal of Honor in Vietnam.

I would like to know why that did not come across to you in your training?

Have you been through basic training? I have and they break you down mentally and I probably went through the easiest basic out there. Putting others interest and safety in front of your own other than your families is not an altered state?

 

I went through basic training and probably went through the toughest out there. I do not in any way considered myself to have been "brain washed".

That does not mean that military personnel share one view on the war in those same proportions.

 

And there are larger strategic foreign policy issues than what is happening within Iraq. The Founding Fathers wisely placed the military under civilian leadership so that all policy decisions could be considered in a balanced context.

 

As to your second paragraph, I agree. But, its a question of weight. When a policy decision is being made about whether to keep troops in Iraq and that decision centers around whether the populace there is going to uphold a democratically-elected government or fold to terrorist factions, I will place much more weight on a military unit's assessment from the front line than I will from someone sitting in a seat in Congress.

 

As to your first paragraph, I disagree. To a soldier, the most important issue I would daresay is the War, and when they vote for the Republican candidate, I believe they are voting their feelings about the War, and that the two are not severable. Not for all, but most.

Is there a time in Modern American history that we can say the Military would vote overwhelmingly Democratic?

Great video. But then I'm a bloodthirsty, brainwashed, hunting, hillbilly.

Great video. But then I'm a bloodthirsty, brainwashed, hunting, hillbilly.

 

C'mon, Jed. You know you're also a thrill-seeking adrenaline junkie.

C'mon, Jed. You know you're also a thrill-seeking adrenaline junkie.

 

I too old for that these days.

Great video. But then I'm a bloodthirsty, brainwashed, hunting, hillbilly.

...merely confirms many of my long held suspicions... :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It also explains why I like you so much... :thumb: