The Dems haven't done anything in their 2 years.

 

Then again the Reps were in charge for 6 years before and bought into the same things that tend to corrupt any Congress.

Which is my point. What happened to that magic bullet they had for oil prices? If we want to lay things at the feet of Bush, well then turnabout is fair play.

Which is my point. What happened to that magic bullet they had for oil prices? If we want to lay things at the feet of Bush, well then turnabout is fair play.

 

I agree. They have been all talk.

 

It's just the perception of people who see Group A say, "It's Congress fault for not helping in these 2 years"; when Group A was in charge for 6 years and things weren't much better if at all.

 

My view is there is enough blame to go around. Let's tell me what they WILL do to help the situation and stop the blame stuff and the "change" rhetoric. (I left enough there for both sides to feel bad, I hope.)

I agree. They have been all talk.

 

It's just the perception of people who see Group A say, "It's Congress fault for not helping in these 2 years"; when Group A was in charge for 6 years and things weren't much better if at all.

 

My view is there is enough blame to go around. Let's tell me what they WILL do to help the situation and stop the blame stuff and the "change" rhetoric. (I left enough there for both sides to feel bad, I hope.)

I agree.

Everyone wants to throw the woes of the country on the executive branch, when truthfully, the economy started going in the tank when the Dems took over Congress. The increase in home foreclosures can be directly correlated to the changes made in the bankruptcy laws and making it harder to file. In the past, if you filed for bankruptcy, you could make arrangements to keep your home. You had to continue paying for it, but you could stay in it. Congress screwed that up. Now, the most basic of American dreams, home ownership, is in great jeopardy due to the actions of Congress. Thanks Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Let's start putting the blame where it belongs. It didn't take one man to mess things up, it took 535 people.

Everyone wants to throw the woes of the country on the executive branch, when truthfully, the economy started going in the tank when the Dems took over Congress. The increase in home foreclosures can be directly correlated to the changes made in the bankruptcy laws and making it harder to file. In the past, if you filed for bankruptcy, you could make arrangements to keep your home. You had to continue paying for it, but you could stay in it. Congress screwed that up. Now, the most basic of American dreams, home ownership, is in great jeopardy due to the actions of Congress. Thanks Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Let's start putting the blame where it belongs. It didn't take one man to mess things up, it took 535 people.

 

So bankruptcy laws caused the economic strife in housing? Fanny and Freddy giving no down loans to unqualified customers had nothing to do with it? Hmmmmm.

So bankruptcy laws caused the economic strife in housing? Fanny and Freddy giving no down loans to unqualified customers had nothing to do with it? Hmmmmm.

 

Bush didn't write the checks. Wake up and look at something rational, rather than like a race horse with blinders on. I don't think the current administration is perfect, but it's not nearly as pathetic as you would have us all believe.

Everyone wants to throw the woes of the country on the executive branch, when truthfully, the economy started going in the tank when the Dems took over Congress. The increase in home foreclosures can be directly correlated to the changes made in the bankruptcy laws and making it harder to file. In the past, if you filed for bankruptcy, you could make arrangements to keep your home. You had to continue paying for it, but you could stay in it. Congress screwed that up. Now, the most basic of American dreams, home ownership, is in great jeopardy due to the actions of Congress. Thanks Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Let's start putting the blame where it belongs. It didn't take one man to mess things up, it took 535 people.

 

 

Where I am the economy was in the tank long before 2006, it just got worse the last two years. :thumb:

Bush didn't write the checks. Wake up and look at something rational, rather than like a race horse with blinders on. I don't think the current administration is perfect, but it's not nearly as pathetic as you would have us all believe.

 

Let's see, 10,000,000.00 a month for Iraq doesn't have anything to do with the economy ? China owning so much of our debt that our dollar is worth less then Canada has nothing to do with it. Fanny & Freddy have nothing to do with it. It's those darn Bankrupcy laws.

 

Do you think sky rocketing Health Care and Pharmacetical cost have anything to do with it. Maybe 4.00 gasoline. Nope, gotta be those Bankrupsey laws.

There is no one thing that is causing the current economy and no one person or party is at fault. Spending, bankruptcy laws, minimum wage laws, international policy, international events, China's and India's growing need for resources, greedy lenders, greedy borrowers,etc.... That's hardly the tip of the iceberg.

We are much worse off than we were 8 years ago. Blame should go to both parties, we are all in this together. It's easy for the Dem's to blame the Rep's and the Rep's to blame the Dem's but both parties have played a role in it. Based on how this campaign is going, the blame will continue and no real solutions will be adopted. The parties need to quite fighting and playing hardball with each other and come together with real solutions for the betterment of the country. Isn't that why they are elected? They should be working to make America a better place but unfortunately, both parties can't come to some resolution on how to do this. What ashame, the mighty American politicians and parties can't realize that if something isn't worked out soon, our great America will be no more.

We are much worse off than we were 8 years ago. Blame should go to both parties, we are all in this together. It's easy for the Dem's to blame the Rep's and the Rep's to blame the Dem's but both parties have played a role in it. Based on how this campaign is going, the blame will continue and no real solutions will be adopted. The parties need to quite fighting and playing hardball with each other and come together with real solutions for the betterment of the country. Isn't that why they are elected? They should be working to make America a better place but unfortunately, both parties can't come to some resolution on how to do this. What ashame, the mighty American politicians and parties can't realize that if something isn't worked out soon, our great America will be no more.

 

One would hope. But once elected, it seems like the agenda is get re-elected.

 

Term limits, anyone? Maybe another thread is in order.

I think that the real problem is partisanship. I normally have a fairly positive outlook on things, but I feel that honestly, it will make little difference which candidate is elected president. The "other side" will fight any and all change that the new president proposes.

One would hope. But once elected, it seems like the agenda is get re-elected.

 

Term limits, anyone? Maybe another thread is in order.

 

Term limits are just a band-aid to a more systemic problem, in my opinion. Why do incumbents have such a high rate of winning elections?

Eight years ago, we had balanced budgets and spending that was controlled, to a certain extent.

 

Since then, we've spent hundreds of billions of dollars in an unnecessary war in which the benefits aren't worth nearly the cost. Energy costs are through the roof and this nation just keeps piling on to the national debt.

Term limits are just a band-aid to a more systemic problem, in my opinion. Why do incumbents have such a high rate of winning elections?

 

I would further add the irony analysis. It's been pointed out a lot here that Congress has a much lower approval rating than the current occupier of the White House. Then why is there seldom a large upheaval of Congress?

 

It's because the local level sees the problem as "those people" but not "our people." That's why those approval/disaproval polls between President and Congress are apples and oranges. Ask a person if Congress is to blame and most will say, "Yes." Ask them in KY if Mitch McConnell is to blame or in VA if John Warner is to blame and most will say, "No, it's not his fault."