Right, but that's because you live in NoKy, which trends just to the right of Mussolini on the political scale.

 

:thumb: As much as I disagree with you about college sports I agree with you a lot about politics!

I dont know one Christian that attends church regular and read their Bible and knows it really well that is supporting Obama. Its hard to support what the Bible clearly calls sin if you are a true Christian.

I dont know one Christian that attends church regular and read their Bible and knows it really well that is supporting Obama. Its hard to support what the Bible clearly calls sin if you are a true Christian.

 

Do you know any Catholics?

 

Sin is such a subjective term and open to broad interpretations. Maybe I feel that cutting social programs is hurting people in need and in my book that might be a sin.

 

I think people who think like you do are so locked into one party that it doesn't really matter who the other party runs - you're not interested. I don't think its solely based on one's view of what a "true Christian" is.

No slam meant by the tern "those people", just don't talk to many Catholics in my cirlcle about politics....maybe football. I meant Catholic voters...sorry if I made someone uneasy.

 

The christians I speak with are leaders. They are telling me the general feelings of those people they have talked with. This isn't the only site I spend time on, there are others. No way I can tell you what all Christians are gonna say. That would be really stupid for me to say. I was talking about the balance of those people, who are like me that I know.

 

 

No body mentioned in their rebuttals about Obama's Church or preacher. Or what I said about Mrs. Clinton

I am a baptist, I am a deacon in my church, I teach Sunday school to adults, I have missed maybe 6 times in the last year (all for travel, none for sleep or fishing or lawn mowing;) ). I attend regularly on Wednesday nights even sometimes leading the worship if the preacher is out of town. I run the sound system on Sunday morning, and sometimes, if it works out just right I run the sound for both of our services 8:30 - sunday school - 10:30. I also serve as the team leader for the church promotions team. I listen to K-Love and AIR 1, I read Christian Literature (Barbara Butler Bass, Brian McClaren - currently reading Everything Must Change", Jim Wallis, Tony Campolo). My wife does almost all of these things as well - she has been a deacon, she teaches the pre-schoolers for sunday school, she cooks meals for the hospitality team, does the childrens feature on occasion. She is the daughter of a Southern Baptist Preacher (currently serving at a church abutting Baylor University) who was a professor of hermenuetics and preaching at SOUTHERN BAPTIST SEMINARY in Louisville, KY. Her mother was a professor at the Kent School of Social Work at Southern.

 

Do we qualify as Evangelical Christians???? Or do I have to be pro-life and pro-GUN (oxy-morons if you ask me) to be considered a good evangelical Christian.

 

If I had to bet, I would say that all 4 are voting for Obama. Of course it is a secret ballot so I don't REALLY know how they are voting, but I certainly know how our family discussion go.

 

I would also bet that over 50% or our regularly attending congregation will vote for Obama as well.

 

We just don't see Jesus bombing Iraq, or allowing the poor in the country to suffer any more, or in ostracizing (sp) people because of their sexual orientation. We choose to love our neighbors and our enemies alike, as we have been commanded to do. Probably even if that neighbor rides a motorcycle and is approaching my car in an angry fashion:flame:

 

No body mentioned in their rebuttals about Obama's Church or preacher. Or what I said about Mrs. Clinton

 

Those obviously have to factored in but all candidates have people they associate with directly or indirectly that are not good for the campaign. Heck, if more people would have known more about Karl Rove, it would have hurt Bush. Sen. McCain has that whack job preacher from Texas he has to worry about.

Just for the record, doing all of that stuff does not make me a good Christian, nor should it be used as a measure. (It does help my guilty conscience b/c I was raised with a vengeful God and I keep trying to hold off his wrath). For me, what makes a strong Christian is one who shows Christ's love to everyone, all the time, and I fail miserably at that . . . all the time.

Not knocking it, not being controversial, just curious. Acemona, what type of Baptist church has women deacons?

Not knocking it, not being controversial, just curious. Acemona, what type of Baptist church has women deacons?

 

There are several (3 or so) here in Frankfort, Calvary Baptist in Lexington, Highland in Louisville, Lyndon Lane in Louisville, Walnut Street in Louisville. I would bet that Lexington Avenue Baptist in Danville does. 7th and James in Waco Texas, First Baptist Church Middlesboro, KY. I did not visit websites, but just knowing the theology of their leaders, and where these churches stood in the SBC fiasco of the 80s and 90s. Most of them are now only loosely affiliated with the SBC (who some studies claim will close half of their churches by 2025??? if the current rate of loss of membership continues). Many of these churches now associate themselves with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship out of Atlanta.

 

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Ace, my point was on how I was hearing a lot of negative talk thru people I KNOW about the church that Obama and Michele attended for 20 years, and he doesn't leave it until it becomes an issue. I've also seen the tape of Michele talking about "Whitey". Ask your father-in-law about Rev Wright and the 20 years of teaching Obama.

 

Women Deacon...Lets start a new thread or see the "Paul" thread.

I am a baptist, I am a deacon in my church, I teach Sunday school to adults, I have missed maybe 6 times in the last year (all for travel, none for sleep or fishing or lawn mowing;) ). I attend regularly on Wednesday nights even sometimes leading the worship if the preacher is out of town. I run the sound system on Sunday morning, and sometimes, if it works out just right I run the sound for both of our services 8:30 - sunday school - 10:30. I also serve as the team leader for the church promotions team. I listen to K-Love and AIR 1, I read Christian Literature (Barbara Butler Bass, Brian McClaren - currently reading Everything Must Change", Jim Wallis, Tony Campolo). My wife does almost all of these things as well - she has been a deacon, she teaches the pre-schoolers for sunday school, she cooks meals for the hospitality team, does the childrens feature on occasion. She is the daughter of a Southern Baptist Preacher (currently serving at a church abutting Baylor University) who was a professor of hermenuetics and preaching at SOUTHERN BAPTIST SEMINARY in Louisville, KY. Her mother was a professor at the Kent School of Social Work at Southern.

 

Do we qualify as Evangelical Christians???? Or do I have to be pro-life and pro-GUN (oxy-morons if you ask me) to be considered a good evangelical Christian.

 

If I had to bet, I would say that all 4 are voting for Obama. Of course it is a secret ballot so I don't REALLY know how they are voting, but I certainly know how our family discussion go.

 

I would also bet that over 50% or our regularly attending congregation will vote for Obama as well.

 

We just don't see Jesus bombing Iraq, or allowing the poor in the country to suffer any more, or in ostracizing (sp) people because of their sexual orientation. We choose to love our neighbors and our enemies alike, as we have been commanded to do. Probably even if that neighbor rides a motorcycle and is approaching my car in an angry fashion:flame:

 

First I want to commend you on all the work you do with your church. It's truly a great thing. :thumb:

 

I do have a question for you though...Do you see Obama stopping the suffering of the poor, or removing our troops from Iraq?

There is no tape of Michelle Obama using the word "whitey". Those who made the original claim have any backed away at this point. Not doubting your veracity, well I guess I am, but to make the claim that you have "seen the tape." http://www.fightthesmears.com

 

I was raised in a church that preached fear and hate all the time. I still love that church and I love its members and I love its preacher, but don't agree with everything they say and I will not denounce them. Surely you know that there is so much more to church than the sermon on Sunday morning and surely you are smarter than Sean Hannity and know that if there were a great number more of these sermons from Rev. Wright that we would have seen more than 3 minutes of tape. So what we see is 3 minutes of potentialy 2080 hours of sermons (averagaing 2 hours a week for 20 years) so it is .0014423 percent of the sermons and you are condemning the man and his congregants. Surely your preacher says something controversial more than .0014423 percent of the time? If he doesn't, I would venture to say that you are not listening very closely, or he isn't getting after it in the pulpit. I don't agree with everything my pastor says now and if I were to leave I would never find a church where I agreed with everything the preacher said - my best bet would be to stay home. Which is worse??

Do you know any Catholics?

Sin is such a subjective term and open to broad interpretations. Maybe I feel that cutting social programs is hurting people in need and in my book that might be a sin.

 

I think people who think like you do are so locked into one party that it doesn't really matter who the other party runs - you're not interested. I don't think its solely based on one's view of what a "true Christian" is.

I'm Catholic and I sure ain't voting for him. Most devout Catholics won't because of his stance on abortion.

There is no tape of Michelle Obama using the word "whitey". Those who made the original claim have any backed away at this point. Not doubting your veracity, well I guess I am, but to make the claim that you have "seen the tape." http://www.fightthesmears.com

 

I was raised in a church that preached fear and hate all the time. I still love that church and I love its members and I love its preacher, but don't agree with everything they say and I will not denounce them. Surely you know that there is so much more to church than the sermon on Sunday morning and surely you are smarter than Sean Hannity and know that if there were a great number more of these sermons from Rev. Wright that we would have seen more than 3 minutes of tape. So what we see is 3 minutes of potentialy 2080 hours of sermons (averagaing 2 hours a week for 20 years) so it is .0014423 percent of the sermons and you are condemning the man and his congregants. Surely your preacher says something controversial more than .0014423 percent of the time? If he doesn't, I would venture to say that you are not listening very closely, or he isn't getting after it in the pulpit. I don't agree with everything my pastor says now and if I were to leave I would never find a church where I agreed with everything the preacher said - my best bet would be to stay home. Which is worse??

 

 

That brings up a question I've always had. I attend church every Sunday morning, and have done so my entire life. For someone my age, I'd say I'm a pretty religious person.

 

One thing I've always wondered is about attending church on a regular basis. I don't remember the exact verse or book, but I've always been taught it is a sin to not go to church. I've always wondered why we have to physically be in the "building" to pray and worship? I mean if a person was extremely holy and stayed home on Sunday's, but read the Bible vigorously, and prayed and lived their life by the Bible, who's to say they aren't every bit as holy as the person who attends church every week?

First I want to commend you on all the work you do with your church. It's truly a great thing. :thumb:

 

I do have a question for you though...Do you see Obama stopping the suffering of the poor, or removing our troops from Iraq?

 

I see him at least wanting too, in both cases. So for me his politics are right - execution is a whole 'nother thing. I am not a cynic, I just want someone who will at least try to do those things. I really do think that he is for the little guy. I don't care about his college background or his political experience, but the fact that he was a community organizer to try to take care of people locally really impresses me. That is what I want to do, and I don't.

 

Don't commend me, I went a little overboard trying to make a point. It is not service, I like being in the middle of things - so it is primarily selfish.