June 5, 200818 yr A couple questions that I have thought about recently... At this point in the season, who from the Reds is an All Star? Volquez is the one the consensus, but anyone else? Phillips isn't swinging the bat well enough and 2B in the NL is tough. What about Cordero though? He is in the top 5 in saves and has an ERA just above 2. At this point Lidge and Wagner both have sub 1 ERA's so they would be there, but don't count him out. And... Will we see Daryl Thompson this season? He has had a pretty quick rise through the minors but in AA his ERA was just above 1 and in AAA it hasn't even gotten that high. It would be interesting to see him in the rotation with Volquez and Cueto. It may depend on how tomorrows start goes. Who knows, maybe both of em stick and we have a rotation of guys 24 and younger with nasty stuff to go with Harang. Hmm... And who from the Reds could be named Rookie of the Year? I assume Bruce can, but can Volquez with his appearances prior to this year? What about Votto? Any contenders from other teams? At this point Geovany Soto is the Rookie of the Year, Votto and Bruce have some serious catching up to do.
June 5, 200818 yr They are on 96.5 FM right now. I can't get in to much, but talk radio in this town is on the verge of massive changes in the near future. Stay tuned... :sssh: going to start a thread on this.....in general discussion..
June 5, 200818 yr At this point Geovany Soto is the Rookie of the Year, Votto and Bruce have some serious catching up to do. Why? Soto: .293 10 HR 39 RBI .394 OBP .560 SLG Votto .287 10 HR 31 RBI .361 OBP .519 SLG Bruce hasn't had enough stats to warrant consideration yet. Maybe Soto is in the lead right now, but I wouldn't say Votto has "serious catching up to do." Their numbers are very similar. And if Volquez is eligible I think there would be no doubt that he would be the leader for the award at this point.
June 5, 200818 yr Gordon Beckham Junior Shortstop Georgia Bats R Throws R .397 Avg 19 Doubles 1 Triple 24 Home Runs 65 RBI .781 SLG% 47 BB vs. 29 SO .505 OBP 17 SB vs. 1 CS .961 Fielding Percentage You got to think pitching would be nice, especially a lefty. Brandon Claussen anyone? I have seen Gordon play a few times...STUD...definitely passes the look test. There is a need for a shortstop. Crow is enticing... You have got to give Dan O'Brien some credit, or Mertha Campbell or Julio Linares, for the drafts he led.
June 5, 200818 yr Why? Soto: .293 10 HR 39 RBI .394 OBP .560 SLG Votto .287 10 HR 31 RBI .361 OBP .519 SLG Bruce hasn't had enough stats to warrant consideration yet. Maybe Soto is in the lead right now, but I wouldn't say Votto has "serious catching up to do." Their numbers are very similar. And if Volquez is eligible I think there would be no doubt that he would be the leader for the award at this point. Yes, and by that same token if Chase Utley were eligible he would be the runaway winner too. There are criteria for the ROY Award and Volquez doesn't meet them so that is not even a consideration. As for why Soto over Bruce, you proved my point for me. Soto leads Bruce in EVERY catagory that you listed plus he is playing a much more vital role as a catcher for the Cubs than Votto is for the Reds. Soto has managed to play in 54 out of 59 games at the most demanding position on the field, he's leading the club in doubles, he's 3rd in homers and tied for 2nd in RBIs. He's doing this while playing under the microscope in Chicago for a first place team that leads the Reds by 10 games, it should be obvious why he is far and away the frontrunner at this point. Sure Votto and Bruce could win but take your homer glasses off and look at it realistically, Soto is way ahead at this point.
June 5, 200818 yr Additional eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 with a rookie formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any Major League roster. The above indicates that Volquez wouln't be eligible, because he had around 70 innings pitched and had 6 and 8 starts the past two seasons for Texas indicating that he had surpassed the 45 day mark...
June 5, 200818 yr Yes, and by that same token if Chase Utley were eligible he would be the runaway winner too. There are criteria for the ROY Award and Volquez doesn't meet them so that is not even a consideration. :irked: Completely different situation. I thought that Volquez may have fell into the rookie category because he hadn't spent anywhere near a full year in the majors unlike Utley or anyone else. I didn't know the requirements or the amount of time Volquez had been in the majors. As you can see, I now looked that up.
June 5, 200818 yr Additional eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 with a rookie formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any Major League roster. The above indicates that Volquez wouln't be eligible, because he had around 70 innings pitched and had 6 and 8 starts the past two seasons for Texas indicating that he had surpassed the 45 day mark... He actually pitched 80 innings over part of 3 different seasons with Texas and made a total of 17 starts.
June 5, 200818 yr :irked: Completely different situation. I thought that Volquez may have fell into the rookie category because he hadn't spent anywhere near a full year in the majors unlike Utley or anyone else. I didn't know the requirements or the amount of time Volquez had been in the majors. As you can see, I now looked that up. Sorry I didn't realize you didn't know the rules for the award you shouldn't roll your eyes at me over your mistake. That's why I made the Utley reference because he's just as eligible for the award as Volquez. Didn't mean to offend you.
June 5, 200818 yr As for why Soto over Bruce, you proved my point for me. Soto leads Bruce in EVERY catagory that you listed plus he is playing a much more vital role as a catcher for the Cubs than Votto is for the Reds. Soto has managed to play in 54 out of 59 games at the most demanding position on the field, he's leading the club in doubles, he's 3rd in homers and tied for 2nd in RBIs. He's doing this while playing under the microscope in Chicago for a first place team that leads the Reds by 10 games, it should be obvious why he is far and away the frontrunner at this point. Sure Votto and Bruce could win but take your homer glasses off and look at it realistically, Soto is way ahead at this point. First of all, I didn't post any of Bruce's stats... We could be revisiting them later in the season with the way that he has started. Secondly, every category I posted Soto leads, but not by much. I acknowledged the fact that at this point he should lead, but the serious catching up that he needs to do is more in the W/L column than the stats, as long as the Cubs are atop the division, Soto had more credibility. But those stats are so close that one or two good/bad nights could flip flop the two in the stats. And on the other stats you threw out, well, Votto has played in 56 of 60 games for the Reds. He's 4th in doubles, 3rd in HR, 3rd in RBI. He also has the second highest BA for any everyday player for the club. I don't know why Soto should be given "points" for the city he plays in. The biggest reason he is ahead right now, like I said, is because his team is winning. I don't wear any homer glasses... Recognize that the stats you threw out were closer than you make it seem.
June 5, 200818 yr Sorry I didn't realize you didn't know the rules for the award you shouldn't roll your eyes at me over your mistake. That's why I made the Utley reference because he's just as eligible for the award as Volquez. Didn't mean to offend you. My bad, I didn't realize that it is common knowledge to know the requirements for rookie of the year. Maybe I should study up next time. Look back to my original post and it says "but can Volquez with his appearances prior to this year?" That indicates a question, which is why I rolled eyes at the Utley remark. Maybe it wasn't my mistake but your failure to read my entire post.
June 5, 200818 yr :thumb: Once Cueto realizes that he is nasty enough that he can afford to walk a batter rather than just load up and try to blow one by them right down the middle the Reds could have 2 aces. Volquez doesn't worry about the walks because he's good enough that teams can't beat him on a pitcher's pitch and he'll pitch around someone rather than giving in. Once Cueto learns that he'll be awfully tough too. You have to think that Volquez will rub off on Cueto soon, actually there are already signs of it. Great duo for the future. :thumb: I honestly can't remember being so excited about Reds pitching, and I'm kinda old. :thumb: I agree, we have a couple of very good looking arms in the bullpen now as well and there is still D. Thompson down in the minors to come up. I still want to see a solid LH starter in the rotation and I hope that I am way wrong about Bailey but I think that he has a lot of growing up to do-attitude adjustments to make. Homer also has to get the ball over the plate and learn to move it around in the strke zone. In other words he has a great arm and he can really "throw" and imo he needs to learn to "Pitch".
June 5, 200818 yr :thumb: :thumb: I agree, we have a couple of very good looking arms in the bullpen now as well and there is still D. Thompson down in the minors to come up. I still want to see a solid LH starter in the rotation and I hope that I am way wrong about Bailey but I think that he has a lot of growing up to do-attitude adjustments to make. Homer also has to get the ball over the plate and learn to move it around in the strke zone. In other words he has a great arm and he can really "throw" and imo he needs to learn to "Pitch". I agree with the bolded very much. I think a lot of our bullpen has been underrated thus far this season. A lot of people don't realize that Bill Bray was picked just 6 picks after Homer Bailey. His ERA is down to 2.76. Burton has lowered his under 3 also at 2.93. Herrera and Majewski both looked good in their appearances this year, and Affeldt has had some problems lately but has good stuff. Cordero down there to slam the door is always a plus. Lincoln hasn't been good lately, but I'm not completely uncomfortable with him on the mound in tight situations. Our bullpen is underrated IMO...
June 5, 200818 yr Homer Bailey, who went 4-4 with a 4.15 ERA in 12 starts in the minors, was 4-2 with a 5.76 ERA in nine starts as a rookie last season for the Reds. Cole Hamels (5-4, 3.73 ERA) has yielded 13 runs, 15 hits and has only four strikeouts in 9 2-3 innings over his past two starts. In his only start against Cincinnati this season, Hamels allowed two runs and five hits in seven innings of a 5-3 victory. He is 2-0 with a 0.86 ERA in three career starts versus the Reds, striking out 26 in 21 innings. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/preview?gid=280605122
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