I think you are correct....I have read most of this thread, and, until you actually raise children, you really don't know what you will do...children respond differently because they are individuals. However, I don't think I have ever know one parent not to have spanked. As far as someone saying that it is the liberals that don't like the spanking of children...you are so correct. This is a liberal view...I should know, I used to be one until I grew up, worked as a social worker, got married, had children...then, I got smart, changed to a masters in mental heath counseling and have a much more conservative views. You can't have everything you want in this world and MAkE everyone else think your way and act the same way....YUK...individualization is where it is at, baby!!!!

 

:thumb::thumb::thumb:So true, Mrs. PH!

Simple, because liberals always take the anti-spanking route. Why would I think your sources are liberal? You strike me as very left leaning.

 

I do not even know my sources personally. I got them from a book on Domestic Violence. Why would my political views reflect or be similar to the authors of a book on Domestic Violence?

I do not even know my sources personally. I got them from a book on Domestic Violence. Why would my political views reflect or be similar to the authors of a book on Domestic Violence?

You're going to tend to go with what your beliefs are, in your case, liberal. I'd be surprised if the author(s) of the book were anything but.

I think you are correct....I have read most of this thread, and, until you actually raise children, you really don't know what you will do...children respond differently because they are individuals. However, I don't think I have ever know one parent not to have spanked. As far as someone saying that it is the liberals that don't like the spanking of children...you are so correct. This is a liberal view...I should know, I used to be one until I grew up, worked as a social worker, got married, had children...then, I got smart, changed to a masters in mental heath counseling and have a much more conservative views. You can't have everything you want in this world and MAkE everyone else think your way and act the same way....YUK...individualization is where it is at, baby!!!!

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You're going to tend to go with what your beliefs are, in your case, liberal. I'd be surprised if the author(s) of the book were anything but.

 

I didn't read this stuff by choice, I was forced to read it for class. So my opinions had nothing to do with whether or not I read it. So...try again.

I didn't read this stuff by choice, I was forced to read it for class. So my opinions had nothing to do with whether or not I read it. So...try again.

Try what? I thought you were done with this thread a while back.

Again, when you have kids, come weigh in on the subject, until then your opinion carries little to no weight. You have no experience, and yes, experience matters.

I didn't read this stuff by choice, I was forced to read it for class. So my opinions had nothing to do with whether or not I read it. So...try again.

 

As a teacher, I will testify that those things that I was taught in college about teaching and discipline, for the most part, doesn't work.

 

The college professors like to sit there and act like they know how to show someone to teach and manage a classroom and they have never been in any classroom besides a college classroom.

 

Recently, went to a training on managing classroom. The presenter started by saying that he taught 2nd grade for a semester and couldn't handle it, so he left. Went to MS and lasted 3 years. Went to junior level in HS and left after 2 years.

 

But here he was today telling us how to manage our classroom. If the things he learned was so successful, why didn't they work for him??????

Try what? I thought you were done with this thread a while back.

Again, when you have kids, come weigh in on the subject, until then your opinion carries little to no weight. You have no experience, and yes, experience matters.

 

INDEED!:thumb:

Try what? I thought you were done with this thread a while back.

Again, when you have kids, come weigh in on the subject, until then your opinion carries little to no weight. You have no experience, and yes, experience matters.

 

I hated that when I worked at a Spouse Abuse Shelter....There were programs to "teach" and do counseling with the children that were at the shelter....With the boys, it was to teach them not to be violent...with the girls, it was to show them how to have self esteem, etc...anyway, when a child acted up at the shelter, the counselors were to show the moms how to show them, in a non violent way, how to be good....well, that stuff just did not work...I, as a counselor, would let the moms spank....that worked rather well. The other counselors did not like the way I handled my clients...but, they never did have children! I would let the moms know that it was best to explain why they were getting the spanking...IE...I have tried time out, you got grounded, etc, and it did not work, so, I feel that I need to do this to teach you....then, after the spanking, explain to the child what they did to deserve the spanking, etc....

No one is going to know what they are going to do in any situation....For those that don't have children, there will be a time when you will have to spank...it will hurt you more than it does the child, and you will feel horrible about doing it. However, it is best to teach them now and not have them to grow up and think there are no painful punishments for their actions. I have a cousin who went to prision when he was 16 and is still there and will never get out...NEVER. My aunt and uncle let him get away with everything when he was growing up, did not believe in spanking and made threats to him all the time (I will spank you if you don't stop...yet, they never would). Not punishing him was much worse for him than a hand on the bottom would have been....or even a belt. I got a few belts and, let me tell ya, whatever I did to deserve it, I never did that action again...NEVER. I did not want that belt and knew what I had to do not to get it.

I didn't read this stuff by choice, I was forced to read it for class. So my opinions had nothing to do with whether or not I read it. So...try again.

 

I know you did not have to read it by choice...I had to read my fair share of that crap in college. Just do yourself a favor and read it, write a paper on it, answer the questions in class about it...get your grade, then, forget it. Don't believe everything you read.....and always remember and never forget, numbers can be made to go into the direction that the writer wants them to go....stats and studies don't mean a hill of beans IMO.

I hated that when I worked at a Spouse Abuse Shelter....There were programs to "teach" and do counseling with the children that were at the shelter....With the boys, it was to teach them not to be violent...with the girls, it was to show them how to have self esteem, etc...anyway, when a child acted up at the shelter, the counselors were to show the moms how to show them, in a non violent way, how to be good....well, that stuff just did not work...I, as a counselor, would let the moms spank....that worked rather well. The other counselors did not like the way I handled my clients...but, they never did have children! I would let the moms know that it was best to explain why they were getting the spanking...IE...I have tried time out, you got grounded, etc, and it did not work, so, I feel that I need to do this to teach you....then, after the spanking, explain to the child what they did to deserve the spanking, etc....

No one is going to know what they are going to do in any situation....For those that don't have children, there will be a time when you will have to spank...it will hurt you more than it does the child, and you will feel horrible about doing it. However, it is best to teach them now and not have them to grow up and think there are no painful punishments for their actions. I have a cousin who went to prision when he was 16 and is still there and will never get out...NEVER. My aunt and uncle let him get away with everything when he was growing up, did not believe in spanking and made threats to him all the time (I will spank you if you don't stop...yet, they never would). Not punishing him was much worse for him than a hand on the bottom would have been....or even a belt. I got a few belts and, let me tell ya, whatever I did to deserve it, I never did that action again...NEVER. I did not want that belt and knew what I had to do not to get it.

 

I've been waiting for you to respond sista!! :thumb:

 

By the way....need your help with something.

I've been waiting for you to respond sista!! :thumb:

 

By the way....need your help with something.

 

Sent you a pm....I am here for ya!

Does anyone know the crime rate in Singapore? just wondering;)

Does anyone know the crime rate in Singapore? just wondering;)

 

Punishment in Singapore

Many consider Singapore a safe tourist destination but every few years, its legal system makes headlines.

On a two-day stopover in Singapore, Renee Posnikoff went through the familiar paces of clearing customs. Upon arriving at the customs desk, Posnikoff was asked if she had any chewing gum. She produced five packs from her luggage, all of which were instantly taken away. Luckily, Posnikoff turned in the chewing gum when given the chance. Had she been caught with it inside the country, she could have faced fines up to $8,600 Cdn and a sentence of up to a year in jail. The leaflet customs officials handed her warned of other civic violations with heavy fines such as spitting, littering, or dropping cigarette butts on the street.

 

Considered one of the cleanest, greenest cities in the world, Singapore is a popular tourist destination, receiving over eight million visitors a year. At just 700 sq. kms, Singapore has an annual GDP that competes with leading nations of Europe. This gives it the world’s fourth most competitive economy, placing it ahead of the United States. The city-state also boasts a high standard of living, low unemployment, and a literacy rate of 98 percent. Singapore has 12 times the population of Vancouver but just half the crime rate.

 

With statistics like these, it’s no wonder Singapore attracts so many visitors. However, travellers planning to visit the self-proclaimed “Garden City of Asia” should be aware of the country’s strict laws and severe penalties.

 

Carla Arial has travelled all over the world and considers Singapore the cleanest country she’s ever visited. Despite the strict enforcement of laws, Arial didn’t notice a strong police presence. Of the officers she did see, most were on foot and simply giving people directions. Although she didn't know it was illegal at the time, Arial admitted to jaywalking in Singapore. Had she been caught, she could have faced a fine of $83 Cdn. But like most tourists, Arial enjoyed her stay in Singapore and managed to keep out of trouble.

 

Some visitors, however, are not so fortunate. According to Dan Mysak of the Canadian High Commission in Singapore, each year around 80,000 Canadians visit Singapore, with approximately two encountering legal problems. The offences these Canadians are alleged to commit usually relate to fraud, people smuggling, or drug possession. In Singapore, these offences are subject to much more severe penalties than in Canada.

 

One of the more recent drug possession cases involving a Canadian occurred in 1996. Associated Press reported Singaporean police found eight kilograms of marijuana in a house where Ronald McCulloch was staying. A resident of Singapore since 1979, McCulloch faced two trafficking charges, each carrying the death penalty, the mandatory sentence for anyone convicted of drug trafficking, murder, or kidnapping. McCulloch was lucky. Instead of death, he received nine years imprisonment after arranging a plea bargain with the prosecution.

 

Had McCulloch been convicted of trafficking and sentenced to death, he would have become the second Westerner to be executed for violating Singapore’s drug laws. The first was Johannes Van Damme, a Dutch businessman found in possession of 4.2 kilograms of heroin.

 

Although Singapore does not hand out the death penalty randomly, Amnesty International states that Singapore has one of the world’s highest rates of execution relative to its population. Reuters journalist Amy Tan reported that the Singaporean government has hanged 340 people between 1991 and 2001. According to the Think Center, a Singaporean civil rights group, 70 percent of those executions were for drug offences. By comparison, Canada executed 710 people between 1867 and 1962 before the death penalty was abolished in 1976.

 

For those lucky enough to escape hanging, caning may be the punishment prescribed for roughly 30 crimes in Singapore, including attempted murder, armed robbery, immigration offences, and vandalism. Secretary General of the Singapore Democrats and former political prisoner, Dr. Chee Soon Juan spent five weeks in a Singapore prison for refusing to pay a fine he received for violating a law restricting public gatherings.

 

In an open letter written in November 2002, Dr. Chee relates his experience of life in prison and what he learned about the practice of caning, stating, “Caning in Singapore is a barbaric act where trained personnel slash a six-foot-long, one-inch- thick cane across the hapless victim’s buttocks. The individual’s ankles are strapped onto a heavy metal frame, and they bend forward where their wrists are similarly locked, with only their naked backsides exposed.”

 

To most Canadians, Singapore’s legal system might seem unusually severe, but Singaporeans are divided on the issue. Vasuge Karthigesu, a fifth generation Singaporean, moved to Canada in 1991. When asked about the laws and punishments of her homeland, Karthigesu expressed reservations about the death penalty, saying she believes there is always a chance the wrongly convicted could be hanged. She does not, however, oppose caning.

Karthigesu still returns to Singapore every few years. During her last visit two years ago, she noticed a change. “The city was slightly dirtier,” she said. “The government might be relaxing the rules a little bit.” Karthigesu said she generally feels safer in Singapore, but admits she would not return to live there.

 

Many travellers believe Singapore is a great place to visit as long as the laws are respected. Anyone interested in visiting Singapore should thoroughly peruse websites and travel brochures outlining what tourists need to know about the country. Canadians can review the status of any country on the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade website where information on travel warnings, general conditions, local laws, and customs is available.

 

 

By Pam Soltani

 

© 2003 Pacific Rim Magazine

Try what? I thought you were done with this thread a while back.

Again, when you have kids, come weigh in on the subject, until then your opinion carries little to no weight. You have no experience, and yes, experience matters.

 

I knew you would try to pull the "I thought you were done" card, but if you go back and re-read what I said, I explained that I was done unless we got back on topic. Which has happened.