Uk4Life Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 This is the first time that I have decided to endorse any candidate. But at this time, Superfan, has decided to endorse Barack Obama. I have also taken the proper steps to donate to the cause that will hopefully keep Hillary Clinton and John McCain out of the white house. Please ladies and gentlemen, do as I have, take those rebate checks and help the economy and the country. make a donation to Barack Obama. also get good supplies 25 bumper stickers costs just 64 cents each or $16.00. Nice deal!! barackobama.com!!
Theoldguy Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 This is the first time that I have decided to endorse any candidate. But at this time, Superfan, has decided to endorse Barack Obama. I have also taken the proper steps to donate to the cause that will hopefully keep Hillary Clinton and John McCain out of the white house. Please ladies and gentlemen, do as I have, take those rebate checks and help the economy and the country. make a donation to Barack Obama. also get good supplies 25 bumper stickers costs just 64 cents each or $16.00. Nice deal!! barackobama.com!! Okay tell me why you endorse him and why I should support Obama, and not Clinton or McCain. Just wondering and please I want real reason and not just because he is new, or he will change things. I really haven't made up my mind yet and I really would like to know, why I should support one over the other two!
Uk4Life Posted February 8, 2008 Author Posted February 8, 2008 this was from a previous post but should give you what you need: You should vote for Barack Obama because he is a not in the Washington loop. He doesn't have as many people to please as others that have their friends and favors. He has tried to get rid of the lobbyist pressure & doesn't take lobbyist $. (I recently donated & one of his many criteria is that you are not listed as a federal lobbyist or employed by such) Barack is bi-racial. While he is considered black, he is 50/50. He was raised in a white home (his grandparents). He went to Harvard and became a lawyer. He is intelligent and one of the best speakers that I have ever hear. Why are these important? He will be able to relate to most of the population because of his mixed background. Barack is cultured. He was raised in Hawaii, moved to Indonesia, back to hawaii, went to Columbia and Harvard and now lives in Illinois. His mixed race and cultural appeal will allow the U.S. to work more efficient on diplomacy. Don't you think most countries think we're hypocrits that we say "created equal" but have always had a white educated rich male as president. Barack has opposed the Iraq War from the beginning & says we should have concentrated on Osama Bin Laden. Osamam was the one that planned 9/11. Iraq had or didn't have WMD's that we still haven't found. Barack supports universal healthcare but doesn't want the gov't to mandate it. He wants to work to get the costs down so everyone can afford it. He and I feel that most would buy insurance if it were affordable. He also say that if someone can and doesn't buy insurance, then they get sick, they will be penalized and have to pay for the procedure since they were gaming the system. Barack wants to reform the immigration system. While many republicans want to "round-up" the illegals, Barack feels that this would not be cost efficient or feasible. His immigration policy involves putting the illegals here in the back of the line to get them citizenship. Would it really make sense to spend $ to find the illegals, deport them & then have them comback tomorrow, fill out the papers & enter legally??? Is that cost efficient? Barack supports the woman's right to choose. The supreme court has 5 conservative judges to 4 moderates. This debate has been done for 30 years. If the Supreme Court wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, they have the votes. Whoever is president doesnt matter now b/c conservatives have the majority & still haven't & will not overturn. Abortion is a non-issue imo b/c there is already a conservative majority. Barack supports letting the Bush tax cuts relaps to the 2000 tax levels. This is technically a tax increase but going back to the pre-Bush levels. This mainly involves higher rates for people that make over $250,000 (roughly the top 1%). I really dont support tax breaks for people like Bill Gates. on a side note. The top 1% of the population controlls over 60% of the wealth. yeah, lets give them the breaks!!!
the mathemagician Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 I am not endorsing yet, but will support whomever the Democrats nominate.
MoreheadEagle Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 Do you smell what Barack is cookin'? I do.
Run To State Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 I am not endorsing yet, but will support whomever the Democrats nominate.So you only vote one party? Just wondering if it's because you don't like the candidates for the Republicans or if you always vote your party regardless.
Run To State Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 this was from a previous post but should give you what you need: You should vote for Barack Obama because he is a not in the Washington loop. He doesn't have as many people to please as others that have their friends and favors. He has tried to get rid of the lobbyist pressure & doesn't take lobbyist $. (I recently donated & one of his many criteria is that you are not listed as a federal lobbyist or employed by such) He doesn't have any experience either. Barack is bi-racial. While he is considered black, he is 50/50. He was raised in a white home (his grandparents). He went to Harvard and became a lawyer. He is intelligent and one of the best speakers that I have ever hear. Why are these important? He will be able to relate to most of the population because of his mixed background.That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Barack is cultured. He was raised in Hawaii, moved to Indonesia, back to hawaii, went to Columbia and Harvard and now lives in Illinois. His mixed race and cultural appeal will allow the U.S. to work more efficient on diplomacy. Don't you think most countries think we're hypocrits that we say "created equal" but have always had a white educated rich male as president.OK, i take it back, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. No, they don't care, nor should we care what they think. This country is the most free with the most chance to reach your dream out of anywhere in the world. Why do you think people leave their country to come here? The color of his skin is not going to help him be a good leader for crying out loud. Barack has opposed the Iraq War from the beginning & says we should have concentrated on Osama Bin Laden. Osamam was the one that planned 9/11. Iraq had or didn't have WMD's that we still haven't found.We didn't know they didn't have WMDs then, so I find it worrisome that he wasn't supporting what everyone else was at the time. Barack supports universal healthcare but doesn't want the gov't to mandate it. He wants to work to get the costs down so everyone can afford it. He and I feel that most would buy insurance if it were affordable. He also say that if someone can and doesn't buy insurance, then they get sick, they will be penalized and have to pay for the procedure since they were gaming the system.Yeah, good luck with that. Universal Health Care will be the death of us all. Bad idea. And just why do you think we need the government to take care of us? It's just more intrusion in our lives from an already too big government. Barack wants to reform the immigration system. While many republicans want to "round-up" the illegals, Barack feels that this would not be cost efficient or feasible. His immigration policy involves putting the illegals here in the back of the line to get them citizenship. Would it really make sense to spend $ to find the illegals, deport them & then have them comback tomorrow, fill out the papers & enter legally??? Is that cost efficient?Who are these Republicans that want to "round-up" the illegals? Barack supports the woman's right to choose. The supreme court has 5 conservative judges to 4 moderates. This debate has been done for 30 years. If the Supreme Court wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, they have the votes. Whoever is president doesnt matter now b/c conservatives have the majority & still haven't & will not overturn. Abortion is a non-issue imo b/c there is already a conservative majority.What about the child's right to live? They don't get a choice, do they? Barack supports letting the Bush tax cuts relaps to the 2000 tax levels. This is technically a tax increase but going back to the pre-Bush levels. This mainly involves higher rates for people that make over $250,000 (roughly the top 1%). I really dont support tax breaks for people like Bill Gates. on a side note. The top 1% of the population controlls over 60% of the wealth. yeah, lets give them the breaks!!!Why shouldn't they get any breaks, they pony up most of the money? You have every opportunity to be wealthy if you choose, so why begrudge those that have achieved. This is nothing more than class envy, IMO. Also, don't forget, that top 1% provides an enormous about of jobs for Americans.
pnthr4life Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 I am not endorsing yet, but will support whomever the Democrats nominate. Ditto.
titletownclown Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 Why shouldn't they get any breaks, they pony up most of the money? You have every opportunity to be wealthy if you choose, so why begrudge those that have achieved. This is nothing more than class envy, IMO. Also, don't forget, that top 1% provides an enormous about of jobs for Americans. :thumb::thumb::thumb:
Uk4Life Posted February 8, 2008 Author Posted February 8, 2008 You are a conservative, I am a democrat, so we'll have to agree to disagree on almost everything. Most of your points are made with blinders on. So, the world does not look at what we do? OK, sure whatever. So, Barack living in almost every corner of the U.S. doesnt matter (hawaii, NY, Illinois). It may not but I feel that would give you valuable knowledge about different areas, different people, etc. Not to mention, he excelled in every spot (as a student in hawaii, being the first african-american president of law review in harvard history and then a state legislature in Illinois). How did he does this? Well it definitely wasn't on the back of his DADDY (like your pal George and Jeb). His dad was gone, he was bi-racial, so he had every opportunity to NOT EXCEL but he did. Remember those false emails? that wasnt b/c he was democrat or his issues, that was because he was african-american. period. I respect someone that will succeed in the face of overwhelming negative toward them. If you don't think racism still exists, then again take your blinders off!! Dealing with abortion. The Supreme Court has the conservative majority so why haven't they already did something. This is just a wedge issue that is brought up every election for the past 30 yrs & then forgotten after it. they keep all you republicans and some democrats panties in a bunch about abortion but we all know that the supreme court which usually has a conservative advantage & does now, haven't & won't do anything. further on abortion: take McCain for example. He has debated & talked his head off about a bunch of issues. He's talked for weeks & weeks & weeks with little to no hoopla. Then, he just has to say 2 words & people say, I'll vote for him. those words "I'm pro-life". Ask yourself. How many times has a politician said that? how many times in the last 30 years have I hear abortion come up when an election isn't on the line?
Uk4Life Posted February 8, 2008 Author Posted February 8, 2008 Why shouldn't they get any breaks, they pony up most of the money? You have every opportunity to be wealthy if you choose, so why begrudge those that have achieved. This is nothing more than class envy, IMO. Also, don't forget, that top 1% provides an enormous about of jobs for Americans. My fundamental belief about government is this.. government is not here to protect some individuals or business. People did not come here from Europe to start businesses or to say, "Let's go to those new colonies and start a free market economy." They came here for religious freedom. To leave persecution. To start over were the rules are not sways towards kinds, nobles, elite. So, I feel government is here for everyone & we're in it together. To make sure things are as good as possible for everyone, not just Bill Gates. It is here to protect everyone from the evils of everyone else, whoever that is. Go ahead now & throw that fear tactic of "socialism" up but we all know that is not what I mean. Should parents control everything there child does? NO. Should parents let there child run complete free? NO. True parenting is somewhere in the middle were you allow children to make mistakes and learn from them but you may have to lay the law down sometimes. Get my point!
AcesFull Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 My fundamental belief about government is this.. government is not here to protect some individuals or business. People did not come here from Europe to start businesses or to say, "Let's go to those new colonies and start a free market economy." They came here for religious freedom. To leave persecution. To start over were the rules are not sways towards kinds, nobles, elite. So, I feel government is here for everyone & we're in it together. To make sure things are as good as possible for everyone, not just Bill Gates. It is here to protect everyone from the evils of everyone else, whoever that is. Go ahead now & throw that fear tactic of "socialism" up but we all know that is not what I mean. Should parents control everything there child does? NO. Should parents let there child run complete free? NO. True parenting is somewhere in the middle were you allow children to make mistakes and learn from them but you may have to lay the law down sometimes. Get my point! Your belief that humans are inherently evil and that the people need a government to protect one another from everyone's evil is a cornerstone of socialist systems. Conservatives believe that most people are inherently good and that big government is evil. We believe that a government that forcibly redistributes income under the treat of imprisonment and breeds dependency among large numbers of its citizens in exchange for their votes is fundamentally a negative force in society. People do good deeds without being coerced. Nobody made the Carnegies, Rockefellers, Fords, Vanderbilts, and other well known philanthropists set up large charitable trusts. Those wealthy philanthropists, who politicians of today would demonize in the name of class warfare, were great Americans who achieved greatness because of the individual liberty that this nation allowed them to keep. Rags to riches stories used to be associated with our country. Now, such stories are increasingly likely to come from China or some other country having only recently embraced the capitalism that Democrats (and, sadly too many Republicans) disparage on a regular basis. Socialist programs aimed at controlling human behavior have chased jobs from our shores, but if voter turnout for Hillary and Obama are any indication, Democrats believe that we still enjoy too much freedom. We still enjoy the freedom to leave, and today's Carnegies and Fords are looking elsewhere first for the next great investment opportunity. The jobs are following their money.
ladiesbballcoach Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 I cannot support any candidate that thinks it is acceptable for this country to allow the taking of unborn babies lives. And to make matters worse he did not stand up and say no when the matter was being debated on whether a baby should be allowed to receive medical treatment if it survives an abortion attempt. If a candidate cannot stand to defend the most innocent and defenseless of us, they don't deserve my vote. If Obama would be pro-life, he would probably get my vote. As it is, he is not and he won't.
shooter Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 How do you achieve "universal healthcare" without a government mandate? You can't make everybody pay into the system unless you force them. Also, if you don't have health insurance and you get sick aren't you responsible for paying the bill today? Everytime somebody in my family went to the hospital I received a bill. Insurance covered most of the charges but I was responsible for the rest. If I didn't have insurance I am quite certain that the hospital would have sent a bill for the full amount. How would someone be "penalized" more than they are "penalized" today? Also, to be "scamming" the system implies you had the money for insurance today but decided against getting it. However, that implies that should have the money to pay the medical bills today and as I stated above, I am quite certain the doctor or hospital will be sending you a bill. So how have you "scammed" the system? Finally, if you can't afford the medical bills today then you probably couldn't have afforded the insurance under the new system. Every recent healthcare proposal I have seen is nothing more than a new tax on young adults disguised as a social program.
Uk4Life Posted February 8, 2008 Author Posted February 8, 2008 I cannot support any candidate that thinks it is acceptable for this country to allow the taking of unborn babies lives. And to make matters worse he did not stand up and say no when the matter was being debated on whether a baby should be allowed to receive medical treatment if it survives an abortion attempt. If a candidate cannot stand to defend the most innocent and defenseless of us, they don't deserve my vote. If Obama would be pro-life, he would probably get my vote. As it is, he is not and he won't. I would not have one single problem, if they overturned Roe v. Wade but the main point to me is that over the past 30 years under Republican or Democrat control they have did nothing. During Bush's first 6 years when we had a Republican president, Republican Senate and Republican house. When no bill was vetoed by GW. During that time period & others in the past that were the same, was there an Amendment or bill that was written, approved & sent to the President?? I do understand your position, but I am not going to base my vote on a topic that politicians both Democrat (do not have to do anything since the Supreme Court has ruled) and Republicans (could have an amendment & have majority conservative Supreme Court) do not deme necessary unless there is an election at stake. IMO, Republicans play to voters like you, to get your vote on one issue but will do nothing for 3 years, then bring this topic back up.
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