Ahh, and don't forget that those people who started their own businesses take risks with new innovations and products, which helps keep the standard of living for the American "poor" exponentially better than anywhere else in the world.

 

These arguments & discussions are philosophical differences between Republican and Democrat; between left and right; between liberal and conservative.

 

Are you saying that liberals, Democrats, left, doesn't believe what was posted in the first post?

Are you saying that liberals, Democrats, left, doesn't believe what was posted in the first post?

 

I was saying in general that our discussions could go on forever & ever b/c we have philisophical differences.

 

Do people take risks & make a lot of money? YES

 

What happens if that business fails? well they can file for bankruptcy or know that there is a safety net for taking risks.

 

Society & Government are a mix between both our philosophies. We are communist nor socialist.

So he hasn't said how he is going to try to make it affordable?

 

Let's see maybe by stopping the Iraq war (9 trillion dollars in 6 yrs could go a long way). also rolling back the tax breaks that Bush put into place (pre 2000 levels).

 

If mccain can afford to stay in Iraq for 100 yrs, that would say lots of money.

You are right, I have been completely mislead. You have corrected me. Our economy is in great condition. Our healthcare system is PERFECT. Our government is tip top. Our education system & NCLB is the best in the world. Retirement programs and social security are terrible ideas b/c they are socialist programs and I plan to work until I die & if I can't work, we'll that my fault and I'll just starve.

 

 

I didn't mention the economy, NCLB, the education system, retirement programs or social security. Nor did I say that our healthcare system was perfect. Let me know when you're willing to have a serious discussion.

 

I didn't mention the economy, NCLB, the education system, retirement programs or social security. Nor did I say that our healthcare system was perfect. Let me know when you're willing to have a serious discussion.

 

Well I agree completely but instead of talking about other people & their ideas, I have decided to join in to fix problems.

 

How would you fix the healthcare system then, since we agree it could be fixed? All I have heard is that I don't want to to this or I don't think that would work. Putting down other peoples views isnt really a plan.

 

So, when you decide to voice your views, then we can discuss them. You are thinking right now, I do make my views known but your wrong. Typically, you just have your opinion on others. You are a "cup is half empty" guy, right?

Let's see maybe by stopping the Iraq war (9 trillion dollars in 6 yrs could go a long way). also rolling back the tax breaks that Bush put into place (pre 2000 levels).

 

If mccain can afford to stay in Iraq for 100 yrs, that would say lots of money.

 

 

So are you saying tax dollars would be used to make it affordable?

So are you saying tax dollars would be used to make it affordable?

 

i'm saying anything that the government does is paid by tax dollars. How else does a government work?

 

I'm saying this. I would rather $9 trillion dollars be spent in the United States to work on fixing our healthcare system, education system, immigration system etc. instead of using it to help Iraqi's. I am not saying that we need to pay for everyones insurance, i'm saying we need to research and find a way to work with insurances, hospitals and medical providers to get a plan in place for everyone. The gov't is the only entity that can do this.

 

I will also make this point. The immigration system needs to be done in a way to get these immigrants on the path to citizenship. They need to come to us instead of avoiding us. If we try to round them up, it will cost lots of money, then we deport them & they come right back. I think we need to be smarter with our money than that.

So he hasn't said how he is going to try to make it affordable?

Has he said much of anything other then change is what we need and what we need is change?

Mentally handicapped, children, those who physically disabled, I can easily see.

 

Still have a problem with a grown adult who is able to work and find a job and has done nothing to make themselves an employable person getting free insurance. I am tired of people doing nothing but putting their hands out for free stuff.

Has he said much of anything other then change is what we need and what we need is change?

 

 

Did you alter my quote or did a moderator?

You are right, I have been completely mislead. You have corrected me. Our economy is in great condition. Our healthcare system is PERFECT. Our government is tip top. Our education system & NCLB is the best in the world. Retirement programs and social security are terrible ideas b/c they are socialist programs and I plan to work until I die & if I can't work, we'll that my fault and I'll just starve.

 

Listen, many talk of problems or have concerns. Some of my ideas or others may not be the best but instead of not doing anything, I am for making necessary changes or modifications for a broken system, law or program.

 

Obama's stated that he wants to try to make insurance available for anyone that can afford it without mandating it. This is a philosophy that I completely support. In the greatest country in the world, over 45,000,000 people should not be uninsured.

You know, I keep hearing that number thrown around but of who is included in that 45,000,000? How many of those are singles in there 20's who can afford it, have a job where it is offered but not take it because they don't think they need it. They would rather have the money. Are illegals included in that figure?

 

How many of that 45,000,000 are actually people that want it, need it, but really can't afford it? How many of those 45,000,000 are driving new cars with $400/month car payments, or have a $120/month cell phone bill, a flat screen TV, or have the latest and greatest of everything?

 

I know there are plenty of people/families in this country that simply cannot afford health insurance and something needs to be done to fix that. But universal healthcare isn't it.

Not sure who coined this phrase but it goes well with this thread:

 

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it's free."

Did you alter my quote or did a moderator?

I simply clicked quote, but when I did it your post read what I quoted. I don't know how it got changed. That's wierd.

 

Which one is correct?

I simply clicked quote, but when I did it your post read what I quoted. I don't know how it got changed. That's wierd.

 

Which one is correct?

 

Nevermind it was correct. My bad. I was just asking if Obama has said how he will make it affordable.

Has he said much of anything other then change is what we need and what we need is change?

 

 

I think it would be nice to actually hear a plan from him reagarding this. Oh well, maybe we will before November.