See, you have locked yourself into a corner, refusing to believe anything that seems too scary.

 

So faith out of fear is now a good thing?

 

For the record, I don't hold the belief that my way of seeking God is the only way...or necessarily the right way. It's just, my way. Neither am I a literalist when it comes to the Bible. But I do have the good sense to admit that I just don't know.

 

You're stances confuse me. You seem to be devoutly Christian but on the points where your religion seem to faulter you take a pass on addressing them.

No theory in Science is ever meant to be proven. If it is proven, it isn't Science anymore. But if it is a theory, that means that enough evidence has been found and presented to uphold the tenents of the theory, and yes the Big Bang does fit into that mold.

 

So gravity, thermodynamics, and Boyle's law are not science?

So faith out of fear is now a good thing?

Nope. No more than fear of faith.

 

You're stances confuse me. You seem to be devoutly Christian, but on the points where your religion seems to falter, you take a pass on addressing them.

I've taken a pass on nothing. We've just tried to point out the obvious hypocriticality of your stand.

Thanks. I kind of got on a roll last night while fending off the lions.

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Nope. No more than fear of faith.

 

Agreed. The point is moot though - because I have no "fear" of faith. I simly do not waste the time.

 

I've taken a pass on nothing. We've just tried to point out the obvious hypocriticality of your stand.

 

Not sure "hypocriticality" is a word...but I get what you're saying. There is nothing hypocritical in my stance on faith and religion. To be hypocritical, I would have to be a born again, bible thumping Christian in real life and be TFRF on BGP. That, believe me, is simply not the case.

FrontRowFan, I thought you said you were an agnostic, you come across as strictly an atheist. That’s fine and it’s your business and you have the right to believe or not believe in whatever you want. The problem here is, like all atheists I’ve encountered, you seem downright miserable, very unhappy in life and you seem to feel the need to mock others who aren’t as miserable in their existence as you because of their faith. It’s fine if you don’t want to believe, that’s on you, but you shouldn’t pretend that believers are childlike or ignorant because they don’t feel the way you do. As I once said I find it sad that you don’t believe, I feel that way about anyone that doesn’t, I don’t mock or belittle you because of it. I find the fact that you feel the need to even more sad.

The only tangible physical evidence for the Big Bang that can be corroborated is Edwin Hubble’s discovery that the universe is expanding, along with subsequent observations that it appears to be expanding from a distant common point. Hubble suggested that the evidence indicates (if not proves) that the universe had a distinct beginning. No one has come close to explaining how a point of incredibly dense energy the size of the dot over this “i” suddenly burst into a stream of matter that eventually coalesced into the physical universe we witness today. We have no laws in nature or presently observable patterns that come close to explaining the mechanisms involved in the moment of a Big Bang or pre-Big Bang.

 

Ironically, Big Bang theory only attempts to explain what happened from the instant after the universe came into being and what has happened since… not the actual origin of energy and matter. Science is impotent in this regard.

 

In fact, there are as many or more bits of information that deny the possibility of a Big Bang, as there are to indicate such an event.

 

• Missing monopoles, the hypothetical single pole magnetic particles of matter that particle physicists claim should have been generated in the high temperatures of the Big Bang.
  
• Whenever energy is converted into matter, as must have happened during the Big Bang, equal quantities of antimatter are produced. There are no known exceptions. The problem is, matter vastly outnumbers antimatter in our universe. If this were not so, life would be impossible. Without equal quantities of antimatter to matter, it is unlikely that a Big Bang event actually occurred.
  
• Missing “Population III Stars” – This is actually a bit too complex to explain in a sentence or two, but the point is that the Big Bang can only account for the existence of the three lightest elements, hydrogen, helium and lithium. Some stars of this type should still be around today since their theoretical lifespans should exceed the time elapsed since the Big Bang. We have yet to find one anywhere.
  
• In recent years, astronomers have discovered numerous large "Jupiter sized" planets orbiting very close to other stars. This is the opposite of what might be predicted by the Big Bang model.
  
• The microwaves filling the cosmic background are fer more uniform than was predicted by the Big ang model.
  

 

The Big Bang is an idea. It lacks enough evidence to give it the credibility it would need for me to consider logical alternatives to God.

 

Another bit of evidence that supports the "Big Bang" theory is the presence of cosmic background radiation...which is energy left over from the Big Bang.

How many of you feel that you cannot believe in the Big Bang theory AND that God is the ultimate creator?

 

Fastbreak (I think) mentions how one can believe that all of the matter in the universe existed in one extremely small volume that then exploded and began rushing outward. I believe that when God said "Let there be light," that Big Bang explosion occurred. Everything that happened after that is a result of God setting things in motion. In this way, you can certainly believe in both.

How many of you feel that you cannot believe in the Big Bang theory AND that God is the ultimate creator?

 

Fastbreak (I think) mentions how one can believe that all of the matter in the universe existed in one extremely small volume that then exploded and began rushing outward. I believe that when God said "Let there be light," that Big Bang explosion occurred. Everything that happened after that is a result of God setting things in motion. In this way, you can certainly believe in both.

However it happened, Big Bang or not, I believe it was from the hand of God.

However it happened, Big Bang or not, I believe it was from the hand of God.

 

I, too, envision that indescribably small speck sitting in the hand of God.

Not sure "hypocriticality" is a word...

It probably is. But "faulter" definitely isn't. :lol:

There is nothing hypocritical in my stance on faith and religion. To be hypocritical, I would have to be a born again, bible thumping Christian in real life and be TFRF on BGP. That, believe me, is simply not the case.

Actually, there is. Perhaps you don't see it. You belittle others for their steadfast refusal to believe the universe was created by random chance. At the same time you refuse to accept the possibility (probability) that something unexplainable lies just beyond all that can be explained -- before the beginning of time...beyond the reaches of the Universe.

 

Hypocrisy.

So gravity, thermodynamics, and Boyle's law are not science?

Post #82.

 

Nothing can be Absolute.

Post #82.

 

Nothing can be Absolute.

God is.

God is.

 

 

:thumb: Thats proof to me.