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Evolution vs Creationism vs Intelligent Design Catch-All Thread

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Because you accept millions of years. If there was a global flood, it would wipe away evidence of the layers layed down by millions of years. All the evidence we have today would be leftover of the flood, and would make the earth young. You can't have both.

 

Let's just say that my "understanding" of erosional and depositional processes evidently differs from yours...and fortunately I am free to believe what my mind and heart tell me, so I can agree with all scientific evidence that shows the Earth to be 4.6 billion years old AND I can believe in a flooding event of biblical proportions.

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King James is the only Bible I would use. Rev chap 22 verse 19 scares me too much to use another.

 

I use KJV most of the time but when I really need to read in modern English I use a Catholic edition of The Living Bible and it is amazing. By the way Rev. 22:19 is in there and it reads the same way just different words.

Let's just say that my "understanding" of erosional and depositional processes evidently differs from yours...and fortunately I am free to believe what my mind and heart tell me, so I can agree with all scientific evidence that shows the Earth to be 4.6 billion years old AND I can believe in a flooding event of biblical proportions.

 

THe scientific evidence you speak of denies a global flood. It is not scientific becuase it is based on assumptions. Taking things you can't prove either way and saying they are fact does not make it science. And the flood in Biblical proportions is global. Such a catastrohpic event wipes away anything laid down by millions of years.

Where do you get that? I am a Christian but don't accept a global flood or 6,000 year old Earth b/c there is no evidence for it. I see the flood as an allegorical parable much like the prodigal son.

 

YOu think the Flood is a parable? DO you know why GOd brought the flood? Read the beginning of Genesis chapter 6. Everyone was wicked during those days. The Flood was GOd's judgment on the world. He destroyed it all except Noah's family and 2 of every kind. In 2 Peter we learn that GOd judged the World with water last time and he's going to do it with fire next time. Based on your thinking. God didn't judge the world then and he's not going to in the future.

I did not say that. But it must feel bad to not even be able to answer my question
It feels good not to be judgmental. Your question was impertinent and therefore not answered.
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THe scientific evidence you speak of denies a global flood. It is not scientific becuase it is based on assumptions. Taking things you can't prove either way and saying they are fact does not make it science. And the flood in Biblical proportions is global. Such a catastrohpic event wipes away anything laid down by millions of years.

 

I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are in this manner but I'll try to make some finer points.

A global flood would leave tons of evidence. There is none.

A global flood would deposit a single huge layer of silt with fossils of all species that lived on the Earth at that time in it. Assuming that the Earth is 6,000 years old and Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs we'd see human, dino, dog, whale, etc fossils in the same layer. That doesn't exist. A flood would not produce the clear layers of fossilized life that we see in rock strata today.

 

You also need a source of water. There is none.

Now, could God have created a flood, and then made all the evidence vanish leaving a world that pointed to the contrary? Sure, it's God. But did he do that? I don't think God wants to confuse us that much.

It feels good not to be judgmental. Your question was impertinent and therefore not answered.

 

How am I judgmental? YOu didn't answer my question...no judging necessary. MY question was highly relative to the issue becuase I can show where all other Bibles fall short of King James. Missing verses...changed verses....but back to creation

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YOu think the Flood is a parable? DO you know why GOd brought the flood? Read the beginning of Genesis chapter 6. Everyone was wicked during those days. The Flood was GOd's judgment on the world. He destroyed it all except Noah's family and 2 of every kind. In 2 Peter we learn that GOd judged the World with water last time and he's going to do it with fire next time. Based on your thinking. God didn't judge the world then and he's not going to in the future.

 

I've read Genesis over and over again and come to the same conclusion. It's a parable. God may have caused a local flood to wipe out the wicked people in the "world" (Mesopotamia) but I don't think it's global or the Earth is 6,000 years old.

 

I didn't say that i don't believe God hasn't and won't judge the world but all the evidence points to the global flood not occuring.

I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are in this manner but I'll try to make some finer points.

A global flood would leave tons of evidence. There is none.

A global flood would deposit a single huge layer of silt with fossils of all species that lived on the Earth at that time in it. Assuming that the Earth is 6,000 years old and Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs we'd see human, dino, dog, whale, etc fossils in the same layer. That doesn't exist. A flood would not produce the clear layers of fossilized life that we see in rock strata today.

 

You also need a source of water. There is none.

Now, could God have created a flood, and then made all the evidence vanish leaving a world that pointed to the contrary? Sure, it's God. But did he do that? I don't think God wants to confuse us that much.

 

 

No evidence. Are you kidding? The Grand Canyon can only be formed by the flood. I don't think that little creek of a river carved it. The vast fossil layer we have is evidence of a flood. Fossilization is a rare event. YOu don't see too many fossils forming today do you? We wouldn't have to see dinosaurs buried together with humans. WHen the flood was coming down, I'm sure the humans were smart enough to head to higher ground.

 

You say we need a source of water? Have you read the all 3 chapters pertainging to the flood? THe fountains of the deep were opened. THe floodgate of Heaven were opened...unleashing the water canopy God placed above the earth (See what God did on day 2 of creation). God told us how he did it. Confusion only comes when we accept man's "scientific opinion instead of what God sais happened...he was there.

No evidence. Are you kidding? The Grand Canyon can only be formed by the flood. I don't think that little creek of a river carved it. The vast fossil layer we have is evidence of a flood. Fossilization is a rare event. YOu don't see too many fossils forming today do you? We wouldn't have to see dinosaurs buried together with humans. WHen the flood was coming down, I'm sure the humans were smart enough to head to higher ground.

 

You say we need a source of water? Have you read the all 3 chapters pertainging to the flood? THe fountains of the deep were opened. THe floodgate of Heaven were opened...unleashing the water canopy God placed above the earth (See what God did on day 2 of creation). God told us how he did it. Confusion only comes when we accept man's "scientific opinion instead of what God sais happened...he was there.

 

Disclaimer: This is not a personal attack, but a question aimed at asking for clarification.

 

If humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time, wouldn't there be fossil layers that pre-date the flood that contain both human and dinosaur remains?

I've read Genesis over and over again and come to the same conclusion. It's a parable. God may have caused a local flood to wipe out the wicked people in the "world" (Mesopotamia) but I don't think it's global or the Earth is 6,000 years old.

 

I didn't say that i don't believe God hasn't and won't judge the world but all the evidence points to the global flood not occuring.

 

It couldn't have been local because God said everything outside the ark would die. If it was local, why did Noah take over 100 years to build a massive structure when his family could have walked to the other side of the earth given 100 years? If it was local, why did God promise not to ever flood the world again, gave his promise in the rainbow? Cuase there have been many local floods over the years so I guess God broke his promise. If it was local, how could the ark float for son long? Water seeks its own level. THe water would soon be gone if it was local and I doubt they would land on a mountain had it been local.

Disclaimer: This is not a personal attack, but a question aimed at asking for clarification.

 

If humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time, wouldn't there be fossil layers that pre-date the flood that contain both human and dinosaur remains?

 

Doubtful because of whats necessary to form a fossil. Also, there wouldn't be enough to form many layers if any at all. From Adam to the flood was only around 2,000 years. Why would there be human fossils before the Flood? Do humans fossilize today when they die?

Doubtful because of whats necessary to form a fossil. Also, there wouldn't be enough to form many layers if any at all. From Adam to the flood was only around 2,000 years. Why would there be human fossils before the Flood? Do humans fossilize today when they die?

 

What do you say is necessary to form a fossil? So it takes more than 2000 years, but less than 4000 years to do so?

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No evidence. Are you kidding? The Grand Canyon can only be formed by the flood. I don't think that little creek of a river carved it. The vast fossil layer we have is evidence of a flood. Fossilization is a rare event. YOu don't see too many fossils forming today do you? We wouldn't have to see dinosaurs buried together with humans. WHen the flood was coming down, I'm sure the humans were smart enough to head to higher ground.

 

You say we need a source of water? Have you read the all 3 chapters pertainging to the flood? THe fountains of the deep were opened. THe floodgate of Heaven were opened...unleashing the water canopy God placed above the earth (See what God did on day 2 of creation). God told us how he did it. Confusion only comes when we accept man's "scientific opinion instead of what God sais happened...he was there.

 

The Grand Canyon isn't formed by just a "creek" as you call it running through rocks. In order for the canyon to form you also have to have uplift. The Colorado River is running through the Colorado Plateau which is being pushed up by the action of the North American Plate colliding with the Pacific Plate. The river cuts down through the rock as it's being slowly pushed up. If there was no uplift then the river would look more like the Mississippi River.

 

The "fountains of the deep" would have left huge craters and a layer of sediment all across the planet. There is none. And yes people would have been smart enough to get to higher ground and most animals would have been too. During the Indonesian tsunami it was the animals who started running to higher ground first. Even if no dinos made it higher ground they would be in the same layer with other animals like Bison, or Elephants. That doesn't happen.

What do you say is necessary to form a fossil? So it takes more than 2000 years, but less than 4000 years to do so?

 

Most fossils are formed when a plant or animal is quickly and deeply buried, out of reach of scavengers, usually in mud, lime, or sand sediment rich in cementing minerals that harden and preserve at least parts of the dead creature.

 

Only the Flood can produce such a catastrophe. So yes what couldn't happen in 2,000 years can happen in less than 4,000 because of the Flood.

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