Can I ask why people hate and hate on Tubby Smith? I know, I know that the guy didn't bring Kentucky fans championships and all the final fours they would want, but the guy is a heck of a coach. Smith has done a lot in his coaching career. He has won at Tulsa, Georgia, and Kentucky. I also know that Smith has passed up on some good players ( Lofton, Hansbrough just to name a few ) but look at the players he has got. I am not a UK fan at all but I did enjoy watching Smith coach because I never knew why people always disliked the man. Like I said earlier I know the lack of NC's and going deep into March Madness hurt him, but come on. The guy has won over 380 games in less than 15 season. Give him some love.

 

Tubby's career...

 

Tulsa - 79-43. Led Tulsa to back to back Missouri Valley confrence season championships and took them to back to back Sweet 16's. Win's against UCLA, Illinois, and Oklahoma State.

 

Georgia - 45-19. Had back to back 20 win seasons. Took them to the Sweet 16. Wins against Clemson and Purdue.

 

Kentucky - 263-83. Won NCAA championship in 1998. Won 5 SEC season and tournament championships. 6 Sweet 16 finishes and 4 Elite Eight finishes. Had many big wins while at UK.

The horse is dead. Stop beating.

So your a Gopher fan too?

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So your a Gopher fan too?

 

Good one. No I am not but I do and I always have been a fan of Tubby Smith. I forgot the rule about the avatars guys, stupid me.

Tubby is a GREAT game coach, a good all around coach, and a fair recruiter. He's also a GREAT person.

 

The only reason I point out his flaws is because some people act like he didn't have any.

The horse is dead. Stop beating.

 

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Good one. No I am not but I do and I always have been a fan of Tubby Smith. I forgot the rule about the avatars guys, stupid me.

 

Relax man its all in good fun.

He got UK the 1998 Banner

I don't hate him, just hate hearing about him... Everyone can vouch that when he was here I supported him more so than most others, but he is gone and I accept that fact. There comes a time when you just have to quit worrying about him, and I long since have. I just wish others would.

Can I ask why people hate and hate on Tubby Smith? I know, I know that the guy didn't bring Kentucky fans championships and all the final fours they would want, but the guy is a heck of a coach. Smith has done a lot in his coaching career. He has won at Tulsa, Georgia, and Kentucky. I also know that Smith has passed up on some good players ( Lofton, Hansbrough just to name a few ) but look at the players he has got. I am not a UK fan at all but I did enjoy watching Smith coach because I never knew why people always disliked the man. Like I said earlier I know the lack of NC's and going deep into March Madness hurt him, but come on. The guy has won over 380 games in less than 15 season. Give him some love.

 

Tubby's career...

 

Tulsa - 79-43. Led Tulsa to back to back Missouri Valley confrence season championships and took them to back to back Sweet 16's. Win's against UCLA, Illinois, and Oklahoma State.

 

Georgia - 45-19. Had back to back 20 win seasons. Took them to the Sweet 16. Wins against Clemson and Purdue.

 

Kentucky - 263-83. Won NCAA championship in 1998. Won 5 SEC season and tournament championships. 6 Sweet 16 finishes and 4 Elite Eight finishes. Had many big wins while at UK.

 

:sleep::sleep::sleep:WOW, I never thought I would hear about him after he left...

I just read the post again... You like wathching Tubby coach because you never knew why people disliked him? That almost made my head explode I think.

Tubby is a GREAT game coach, a good all around coach, and a fair recruiter. He's also a GREAT person.

 

The only reason I point out his flaws is because some people act like he didn't have any.

 

I didn't see a single person on here ever acted like Tubby was the perfect coach. The only reason why so many people started defending him, was when there were people acting like Tubby was a terrible coach, and saying he is only as good as a mid-major coach. It was crap like that, that got most people going on here. Other than that, everyone on here knew he was inconsistent sometimes in recruiting. He made some questionable coaching decisions in games as well. I mean its not like we didn't see any of this, and only you all did. However a lot of us, know he is a good coach, and not the terrible coach like some tried to make him out to be...

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Won/Loss record:

Probation - 36-20 (64.29%)

Past 2 yrs - 38-20 (65.52%)

 

SEC record:

Probation - 24-12 (66.67%)

Past 2 yrs - 17-13 (56.67%)

 

Wins against ranked opponents:

Probation - 5-6 (45.45%)

Past 2 yrs - 3-12 (20.00%)

--Outside of probation, this will mark the first time we have finished back to back seasons unranked since 1959-1961 (46 years).

 

--Already the most losses over a two year period (outside of probation era) in the history of our school.

 

 

Keeping these in mind, which way would a trend line point, up or down?

 

Percentage of games ranked in top 5:

Tubby 16%

Pitino 59% (53% if you include probation year)

 

Number of games in top 5:

Tubby in 326 games ranked 54 games in top 5

Pitino in 269 games ranked 142 games in top 5

 

Number of Home losses:

Tubby 19

Pitino 5 (7 if you include probation year)

 

10+ loss seasons:

Tubby 4 (in 7 years - soon to be 5 in 8 )

Pitino 0 (1 if you include the probation year)

 

Average number of losses per year:

Tubby 7.9 (about to push that up over 8 )

Pitino 4.8(throwing out the 1st year)

 

Games played as #1 ranking: Pitino 10 Tubby 4

Games played as #2 ranking: Pitino 44 Tubby 14

Games played as #3 ranking: Pitino 33 Tubby 10

Games played as #4 ranking: Pitino 18 Tubby 15

Games played as #5 ranking: Pitino 37 Tubby 11

Total games with top 5 ranking: Pitino 142 Tubby 54

 

Team Turmoils:

Tubby 2

Pitino 0

 

Transfers out of the Program:

Tubby 14

Pitino 7

 

NBA 1st round draft picks:

Tubby 2

Pitino 10

 

Rick Pitino's 1st year 14-14 probation team averaged more than 10 ppg than ANY Tubby Smith team except 2. It averaged 8.9 ppg more than those 2 teams.

 

Rick Pitino - Points per Game

1989-90 88.82

1990-91 85.89

1991-92 85.72

1992-93 87.50

1993-94 86.88

1994-95 87.39

1995-96 91.44

1996-97 83.13

 

Tubby Smith takes over

1997-98 80.08

1998-99 75.41

1999-00 69.09

2000-01 79.79

2001-02 76.88

2002-03 77.28

2003-04 73.91

2004-05 73.62

2005-06 70.77

2006-07 72.32

 

Final Fours

Pitino 5 (3 at Kentucky)

Tubby 1

 

Championship games

Pitino 2

Tubby 1

 

NCAA tournament

Pitino 22-5 (.783) (at Kentucky)

Tubby is 23-8 (.663) (at Kentucky)

 

*Pitino beat 11 teams seeded 5th or higher in 6 NCAA Tournaments.

 

*Tubby has beaten 4 teams seeded 5th or higher in 9 NCAA Tournaments.

 

*Tubby has beaten just one team seeded 5th or higher since his first season at Kentucky.

 

* fall, 2003 - top PFs begin picking other schools over UK as UK has the PF spot wide open. PFs who end up not picking UK in this recruiting cycle are Hansbrough, Echefu, Leo "Cry me a river" Criswell, Barber, Brown, and many others. All of these players had UK on their top spot at one point or another but UK failed to bring all of them in.

 

* winter, 2005 - Joe Crawford tries to leave team but UK refuses to grant him his release.

 

* spring, 2005 - Kalenna Azubuike, after Smith says that he will not hire an agent, does exactly that four days later (he is not drafted).

 

* spring, 2005 - Randolph Morris refuses to call Smith as he enters the draft (he is not drafted). His parents cite the fact that Tubby did not develop their son properly.

 

* fall, 2005 - with the PF spot wide open for the second straight year of recruiting, Brandan Wright, Thadd Young, Deon Thompson, Kevin Durant and others all pick other schools with top PF talent already in place (with the exception of G-Tech and Young).

 

* winter, 2005 - Ramel Bradley seems hesitant to say whether he is content at UK.

 

* winter, 2005 - Rajon Rondo is rumored to be at odds with Smith and his team as he says, "There's some egos."

 

* Feb. 2006 - a player that nobody had in their Top 150 recruits (who was given a scholarship very early by Tubby) transfers from UK - Adam Williams.

 

* May 2006, JUCO transfer Simms leaves UK after one year.

 

* Summer 2006. Tyrone Nash. A player that was being recruited by the likes of Seton Hall before UK stepped in and offered a scholarship. Nash responds "thanks, but no thanks UK I think I'll go to prep school for a year and get a better offer after that". Obviously not his exact words but why else would he turn down a scholarship from UK to go to a prep school???

 

also, some of Smith's best players picked UK after their preferred schools screwed them. Prince loved UCLA but the Bruins screwed his older brother. Rondo loved Louisville but Sebastian Telfair was there. Hayes wanted Kansas and Roy Williams but Kansas put him on hold for Josh Childress.

 

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Kentucky is 1-7 vs. teams ranked in the AP top 10 when they played them over the last three years. The only win was over a #4 Louisville team in 2005 that eventually failed to make the NCAA tournament. In contrast Kentucky was 8-3 vs. top 10 teams during the first two years that Tubby was the coach in 1997-98 and 98-99. (0-2 in 2004-05, 1-2 in 2005-06, 0-3 in 2006-07).

 

Kentucky is 8-15 vs. top 25 AP ranked opponents over the past three seasons including 0-6 this season. (4-3 in 2004-05, 4-6 in 2005-06, 0-6 in 2006-07).

 

Kentucky is 1-6 vs. teams ranked in the AP top 20 in the NCAA tournament since the championship season of 1997-98. Again in contrast, Kentucky beat 4 top 20 teams to win the championship in 1998.

 

7 out of 12 of Tubby's top 30-ranked recruits (Carruth, Parker, Stone, Allison, Crawford, Morris, and Azubuike) he has brought to Lexington have

 

A. Openly questioned the program.

B. Ignored Smith's advice to skip the draft even to the point of not being selected.

C. attempted to transfer.

OR.....

D. transferred outright.

Won/Loss record:

Probation - 36-20 (64.29%)

Past 2 yrs - 38-20 (65.52%)

 

SEC record:

Probation - 24-12 (66.67%)

Past 2 yrs - 17-13 (56.67%)

 

Wins against ranked opponents:

Probation - 5-6 (45.45%)

Past 2 yrs - 3-12 (20.00%)

--Outside of probation, this will mark the first time we have finished back to back seasons unranked since 1959-1961 (46 years).

 

--Already the most losses over a two year period (outside of probation era) in the history of our school.

 

 

Keeping these in mind, which way would a trend line point, up or down?

 

Percentage of games ranked in top 5:

Tubby 16%

Pitino 59% (53% if you include probation year)

 

Number of games in top 5:

Tubby in 326 games ranked 54 games in top 5

Pitino in 269 games ranked 142 games in top 5

 

Number of Home losses:

Tubby 19

Pitino 5 (7 if you include probation year)

 

10+ loss seasons:

Tubby 4 (in 7 years - soon to be 5 in 8 )

Pitino 0 (1 if you include the probation year)

 

Average number of losses per year:

Tubby 7.9 (about to push that up over 8 )

Pitino 4.8(throwing out the 1st year)

 

Games played as #1 ranking: Pitino 10 Tubby 4

Games played as #2 ranking: Pitino 44 Tubby 14

Games played as #3 ranking: Pitino 33 Tubby 10

Games played as #4 ranking: Pitino 18 Tubby 15

Games played as #5 ranking: Pitino 37 Tubby 11

Total games with top 5 ranking: Pitino 142 Tubby 54

 

Team Turmoils:

Tubby 2

Pitino 0

 

Transfers out of the Program:

Tubby 14

Pitino 7

 

NBA 1st round draft picks:

Tubby 2

Pitino 10

 

Rick Pitino's 1st year 14-14 probation team averaged more than 10 ppg than ANY Tubby Smith team except 2. It averaged 8.9 ppg more than those 2 teams.

 

Rick Pitino - Points per Game

1989-90 88.82

1990-91 85.89

1991-92 85.72

1992-93 87.50

1993-94 86.88

1994-95 87.39

1995-96 91.44

1996-97 83.13

 

Tubby Smith takes over

1997-98 80.08

1998-99 75.41

1999-00 69.09

2000-01 79.79

2001-02 76.88

2002-03 77.28

2003-04 73.91

2004-05 73.62

2005-06 70.77

2006-07 72.32

 

Final Fours

Pitino 5 (3 at Kentucky)

Tubby 1

 

Championship games

Pitino 2

Tubby 1

 

NCAA tournament

Pitino 22-5 (.783) (at Kentucky)

Tubby is 23-8 (.663) (at Kentucky)

 

*Pitino beat 11 teams seeded 5th or higher in 6 NCAA Tournaments.

 

*Tubby has beaten 4 teams seeded 5th or higher in 9 NCAA Tournaments.

 

*Tubby has beaten just one team seeded 5th or higher since his first season at Kentucky.

 

* fall, 2003 - top PFs begin picking other schools over UK as UK has the PF spot wide open. PFs who end up not picking UK in this recruiting cycle are Hansbrough, Echefu, Leo "Cry me a river" Criswell, Barber, Brown, and many others. All of these players had UK on their top spot at one point or another but UK failed to bring all of them in.

 

* winter, 2005 - Joe Crawford tries to leave team but UK refuses to grant him his release.

 

* spring, 2005 - Kalenna Azubuike, after Smith says that he will not hire an agent, does exactly that four days later (he is not drafted).

 

* spring, 2005 - Randolph Morris refuses to call Smith as he enters the draft (he is not drafted). His parents cite the fact that Tubby did not develop their son properly.

 

* fall, 2005 - with the PF spot wide open for the second straight year of recruiting, Brandan Wright, Thadd Young, Deon Thompson, Kevin Durant and others all pick other schools with top PF talent already in place (with the exception of G-Tech and Young).

 

* winter, 2005 - Ramel Bradley seems hesitant to say whether he is content at UK.

 

* winter, 2005 - Rajon Rondo is rumored to be at odds with Smith and his team as he says, "There's some egos."

 

* Feb. 2006 - a player that nobody had in their Top 150 recruits (who was given a scholarship very early by Tubby) transfers from UK - Adam Williams.

 

* May 2006, JUCO transfer Simms leaves UK after one year.

 

* Summer 2006. Tyrone Nash. A player that was being recruited by the likes of Seton Hall before UK stepped in and offered a scholarship. Nash responds "thanks, but no thanks UK I think I'll go to prep school for a year and get a better offer after that". Obviously not his exact words but why else would he turn down a scholarship from UK to go to a prep school???

 

also, some of Smith's best players picked UK after their preferred schools screwed them. Prince loved UCLA but the Bruins screwed his older brother. Rondo loved Louisville but Sebastian Telfair was there. Hayes wanted Kansas and Roy Williams but Kansas put him on hold for Josh Childress.

 

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Kentucky is 1-7 vs. teams ranked in the AP top 10 when they played them over the last three years. The only win was over a #4 Louisville team in 2005 that eventually failed to make the NCAA tournament. In contrast Kentucky was 8-3 vs. top 10 teams during the first two years that Tubby was the coach in 1997-98 and 98-99. (0-2 in 2004-05, 1-2 in 2005-06, 0-3 in 2006-07).

 

Kentucky is 8-15 vs. top 25 AP ranked opponents over the past three seasons including 0-6 this season. (4-3 in 2004-05, 4-6 in 2005-06, 0-6 in 2006-07).

 

Kentucky is 1-6 vs. teams ranked in the AP top 20 in the NCAA tournament since the championship season of 1997-98. Again in contrast, Kentucky beat 4 top 20 teams to win the championship in 1998.

 

7 out of 12 of Tubby's top 30-ranked recruits (Carruth, Parker, Stone, Allison, Crawford, Morris, and Azubuike) he has brought to Lexington have

 

A. Openly questioned the program.

B. Ignored Smith's advice to skip the draft even to the point of not being selected.

C. attempted to transfer.

OR.....

D. transferred outright.

 

Aint it great how you can throw ONLY CERTAIN stats around to ONLY show one side of the story....:sleep: