October 5, 200719 yr Author And I see we have a levelheaded poster here... In what way did I condemn him? I simply said that I understood the way he felt and that it could have been handled much better. The flag represents this country and and one of the main focuses of this country is Justice. As I understand it in it's simplest form, Justice is making sure that everyone is allowed due process of the law and this guy side stepped all of that thus defeating his original purpose. Sorry I wasn't directing that whole post at you I just quoted/replied to one line from your post.
October 5, 200719 yr This is not true. The process to become a legal citizen is lengthy, but not difficult if you are educated and can speak, read and understand the language. You can stay legally in this country while applying for citizenship. The reason we have immigration laws is to ensure that if you want to become a citizen that you can support yourself and become a viable member of society without the help of government. What is wrong with that? It's not difficult if you fluently speak English, are educated and have a lot of money. Or a few years to sit and wait. And the resources to deal with the endless bureaucratic paperwork. Even then there's only a gambler's chance you'll get in. How many people who are starving, have a family and need a job can deal with this?
October 5, 200719 yr I don’t know anyone who has gone overseas to open a 7/11. Wow. Seriously, scary wow.
October 5, 200719 yr Actually they did, in the form of the Know-Nothing party Aptly named, wouldn't you say?
October 5, 200719 yr 1) If you want to immigrate to the US you do have to take a citizenship test. If you are already a citizen, you go to school. 2) The businessmen/women that I know who have gone overseas to work are usually sent by an American owned company or they are teachers. I don’t know anyone who has gone overseas to open a 7/11. I'm not talking about immigrants. We , as citizens, do NOT have to pass a test of our patriotism to keep our rights to dissent. You seem to have a problem with the fact that someone who doesn't look like you is expressing a differing view than you. Your "7/11" jab only supports my assumption. Do we just talk the talk about freedoms or do we actually walk the walk, too? I see a lot of talking and not much walking going on here.
October 5, 200719 yr The immigrants coming over are trying to make a better life for themselves; I can't fault another human for doing that. But it's legal to fly the Mexican flag. I can if they can't do it legally. Not on top of ours it's not.
October 5, 200719 yr Just so I'm clear, because truthfully, I've seen the terms "Code" and "Law" used interchangably in this thread. Is it ILLEGAL to fly a flag about The American Flag or is it in violation of the Flag CODE? Is there actually a law that you will be arrested for (or written a ticket for, based on the severity of the charge) or is it a violation of said Code? Habib (or Hearsay, et al) can you help on this one? I apologize if this has been answered in the thread in one of the many links that have been thrown around.
October 5, 200719 yr It's not difficult if you fluently speak English, are educated and have a lot of money. Or a few years to sit and wait. And the resources to deal with the endless bureaucratic paperwork. Even then there's only a gambler's chance you'll get in. How many people who are starving, have a family and need a job can deal with this?So what do you suggest, just open up the flood gates?
October 5, 200719 yr Do we just talk the talk about freedoms or do we actually walk the walk, too? I see a lot of talking and not much walking going on here.Freedom comes at a price.
October 5, 200719 yr Just so I'm clear, because truthfully, I've seen the terms "Code" and "Law" used interchangably in this thread. Is it ILLEGAL to fly a flag about The American Flag or is it in violation of the Flag CODE? Is there actually a law that you will be arrested for (or written a ticket for, based on the severity of the charge) or is it a violation of said Code? Habib (or Hearsay, et al) can you help on this one? I apologize if this has been answered in the thread in one of the many links that have been thrown around. U.S. Code Title 4 Chapter 1 Section 7 subparagraph © © No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
October 5, 200719 yr Freedom comes at a price. Come on, RTS. What does that mean? You don't see an inconsistency in saying that you can burn the flag, drag it around on the ground, use it as a diaper but you can't fly another country's flag above the US flag?
October 5, 200719 yr U.S. Code Title 4 Chapter 1 Section 7 subparagraph © © No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations. Okay, so that leads to me three questions: 1. Punishment for violating said code? 2. Could a Local or State Police Officer cuff and stuff said violator? 3. Would this have to be under the authority of the FBI? Secret Service? Who would have the enforcement of this Code under their jurisdiction? I'm sure we ALL would agree that handling this Code violation in a vigilante fashion is probably the wrong approach.
October 5, 200719 yr Not on top of ours it's not. I wasn't talking about that. The poster I was referencing said flying a Mexican flag over an American flag somehow erodes our sovereignty, and I asked why, then, is it legal to fly a Mexican flag by itself? So what do you suggest, just open up the flood gates? Seriously? You're going to polarize it like that? We need to let people in fairly and legally in conjunction with a tighter border. Border security is never going to be effective without a better legal immigration system.
October 5, 200719 yr U.S. Code Title 4 Chapter 1 Section 7 subparagraph © © No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations. Is there a penalty for violating the above?
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