August 9, 200719 yr How can you say without question that they don't increase performance? The point of a 162 game season is the day to day grind, and this is a drug that fights the fatigue. If it wasn't it wouldn't be labeled a dangerous illegal upper. What if it turns out Cal Ripken used greenies to help him get to the record??? If Cal used greenies, it doesn't matter to me. His record is not a performance record like Bonds but ,rather, an availability record.
August 9, 200719 yr If Cal used greenies, it doesn't matter to me. His record is not a performance record like Bonds but ,rather, an availability record. So why are you convinced greenies have NOTHING to do with performance???
August 9, 200719 yr 757 by the way... :dancingpa :dancingpa :dancingpa :dancingpa :dancingpa :dancingpa Keep mashing Barry!
August 9, 200719 yr If Cal used greenies, it doesn't matter to me. His record is not a performance record like Bonds but ,rather, an availability record. I dont see how you can say if somebody else used a banned substance and broke a record that it is fine and then turn around and say Bonds is bad for using steroids. Banned stuff is banned stuff.
August 9, 200719 yr So why are you convinced greenies have NOTHING to do with performance??? Brother, I can't make it any clearer. To a very small degree at most, yes. Nowhere near roids.
August 9, 200719 yr I dont see how you can say if somebody else used a banned substance and broke a record that it is fine and then turn around and say Bonds is bad for using steroids. Banned stuff is banned stuff. Bonds the person clouds people's judgement of Bonds the athlete. BTW, this isn't directed at anyone on here, just as a reflection of baseball fans as a whole.
August 9, 200719 yr I dont see how you can say if somebody else used a banned substance and broke a record that it is fine and then turn around and say Bonds is bad for using steroids. Banned stuff is banned stuff. Cal's is not a performance record like Bonds. I would not be surprised if Cal says he used amphetamines. If he does, it will get little reaction from me. the record is interesting and unique but nowhere near as impressive as actual performance records such as the HR record. Let me repeat: Its ALL a matter of degree. Yes, cheating is cheating but just like in the real word, we take all facts into consideration rather than making a blanket statement.
August 9, 200719 yr Bonds the person clouds people's judgement of Bonds the athlete. It would be naive to think his personality does not weigh in. However, its not THE reason for the reaction. Jim Brown is generally regarded as the best running back of all time. He's nearly as big a horses rump as Bonds. he , though, gets none of the backlash that Bonds does.
August 9, 200719 yr ^Say Bonds only used steroids in the year he hit 73, and he ends up hitting 50 more before calling it quits, would it change your opinion on the record?
August 9, 200719 yr ^Say Bonds only used steroids in the year he hit 73, and he ends up hitting 50 more before calling it quits, would it change your opinion on the record? Yes. Right after I say that President Clinton didnt inhale.
August 9, 200719 yr The New York Post is know for their headlines, so nobody should be surprised that this ran today.
August 9, 200719 yr Yes. Right after I say that President Clinton didnt inhale. And O.J. didn't do it.
August 9, 200719 yr Not sure if this has been posted yet. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-bonds-ball&prov=ap&type=lgns Mets fan could face big tax bill over Bonds' home run ball As soon as 21-year-old Matt Murphy snagged the valuable piece of sports history Tuesday night, his souvenir became taxable income in the eyes of the Internal Revenue Service, according to experts. "It's an expensive catch," said John Barrie, a tax lawyer with Bryan Cave LLP in New York who grew up watching the Giants play at Candlestick Park. "Once he took possession of the ball and it was his ball, it was income to him based on its value as of yesterday," By most estimates, the ball that put Bonds atop the list of all-time home run hitters with 756 would sell in the half-million dollar range on the open market or at auction. That would instantly put Murphy, a college student from Queens, in the highest tax bracket for individual income, where he would face a tax rate of about 35 percent, or about $210,000 on a $600,000 ball.
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