I saw the verses on Marriage and I agree with them, but Divorce is the question and what did Jesus say about it the chapter I brought up.

 

Matthew 19:7 Why then they (Disciples) asked him did Moses command us to give divorece papaers and to end her away?

Jesus said "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because the hardened of your heart..As I tell you ever divorces his wife, except for SEXUAL IMMORALITY and marries again commits adultery.

And, if you were able to investigate it deeply, you'd see that adultery is grounds for an annulment.

 

The word annulment is found nowhere...who is using their "think so's" and avoiding scripture.

I disagree that you use the "think so" term here, because the word annulment is applied to the Church's dissolution of the marriage sacrament. Marriage is a binding Sacrament. To be "let go" and free to marry within the Church and in God's eyes, your first, blessed union must be dissolved. Think of it as a religious divorce, if you will. Only much more stringent in what it requires to prove the marriage should be nullified.

 

 

AllTell, how come you want to look what I say by using scripture, and say I'm using my sayings? If youn want a full system Bible study on here say the word man. Not once have I condemed anything anyone has said, but look at the posts concerning my scripture based comments.

 

I do feel that several of us have provided scriptural references. Now, some you've accepted, but many you've rejected. You have provided your own scriptural references as well, and that's awesome. The issue is that there are scriptural references supporting both our faiths.

 

You have the right to choose any Religion you want, but there are errors in your church (Others have said that themselves) just like they are in mine. I said that. A church is made up of people, and people make mistakes. The closest true church is the church of the Amish. They are almost perfect with the real true church but I would still tell them they also do things in error, becaus ethey do.

 

Actually, no one has said that the Church doesn't make mistakes and have horrible sins to atone for. However the Church as a human entity and the Faith are two different things.

 

Lets talk about Mother Mary. I will love to.

What would you like to start with?

I'm taught to show error through scripture, and I can and will, but I don'y want to have hurt feelings about me.

 

Alabama, I think the defensiveness comes from the fact that instead of seeming to be open to our explanations, you're baiting us so that our replies can be the subject of your attack on them. It seems less that you want to understand what we believe, as it does that you want to prove why we shouldn't believe.

 

 

Nice job 5wide...You should be here with these kids.

 

I can't answer that one!

The infalliblility refers to the doctrine and dogma. Those are unchanged and unchallenged, as far as I'm aware.

 

The Eucharist is still Transubstantiation

Marriage is still binding

We still believe in baptising infants

We still believe in reaffirming our faith through confirmation...

 

The fact that the pope is human, and makes mistakes is not the same as his violating or somehow evidence of his fallibility[/i]

 

I have a fairly good grasp of what they mean by infallible (I think), because I'm pretty sure you schooled me on it a couple or three years ago...

 

I remember you clearing that bolded part up for me in a previous discussion. :lol:

I have a fairly good grasp of what they mean by infallible (I think), because I'm pretty sure you schooled me on it a couple or three years ago...

 

I remember you clearing that bolded part up for me in a previous discussion. :lol:

 

Oh yeah! That was you?!

I can't answer that one!

 

There is no answer for me...:devil:

 

:scared: ...oops, wrong smilie for this thread...

 

 

There...that's better. :dancingpa

Alabama, I think the defensiveness comes from the fact that instead of seeming to be open to our explanations, you're baiting us so that our replies can be the subject of your attack on them. It seems less that you want to understand what we believe, as it does that you want to prove why we shouldn't believe.

Exactly.

 

AL your first post in this thread wasn't about the differences between Catholics and Protestants it was a list of things that you BELIEVE (NOT KNOW, BELIEVE) the Catholic Church does wrong and yet you state them as if they are facts.

 

I'm sorry if I became defensive but you went immediately on the offensive in telling us what we believe is wrong. It's very hard not to take offense at that. And regardless of where you say your opinions (not facts) came from they are still your opinions based on what you BELIEVE the scripture says.

 

You said you BELIEVE that your church has made scriptural mistakes as well. I would love to know what some of them are.

In my church we kneel during the consecration, then stand for the Lord's Prayer and through the distribution of the Eucharist. As explained, the change was made to make the act of receiving the Eucharist more of a shared event among everyone in the congregation. It was also emphasized that anyone who wished to kneel may do so. I am a Eucharistic Minister and have seen a few people who come forward for Communion and kneel while receiving.

 

I quoted your message because of the reference to being a Eucharistic Minister.

 

My wife and I have been wrestling with this one.

 

For a couple of different reasons under the Church's Canons, my wife's sister should not even be receiving communion but she lives in a different location now where no one knows her and she has become an Eucharistic Minister in the church. I understand the fact that it is between her and God as to whether her participation is blasephemous and that I should not judge her and normally it wouldn't even concern me.

 

But, this weekend, one of the nephews is getting married and she is going to be an Eucharistic Minister at the Mass. I am planning on skipping the Church services, which I normally do for weddings anyway, and attend the reception.

 

For the record, I am not holier-than-thou and I am trying to post this without being judgmental but it is not coming off that way.

 

Am I wrong to refuse to take part in what I believe to be a blasphemous act on her part?

I quoted your message because of the reference to being a Eucharistic Minister.

 

My wife and I have been wrestling with this one.

 

For a couple of different reasons under the Church's Canons, my wife's sister should not even be receiving communion but she lives in a different location now where no one knows her and she has become an Eucharistic Minister in the church. I understand the fact that it is between her and God as to whether her participation is blasephemous and that I should not judge her and normally it wouldn't even concern me.

 

But, this weekend, one of the nephews is getting married and she is going to be an Eucharistic Minister at the Mass. I am planning on skipping the Church services, which I normally do for weddings anyway, and attend the reception.

 

For the record, I am not holier-than-thou and I am trying to post this without being judgmental but it is not coming off that way.

 

Am I wrong to refuse to take part in what I believe to be a blasphemous act on her part?

 

I'm not AllTell, but I'd like an opportunity to answer.

 

I don't think you're wrong.

 

One of the best things the Catholic Church does is lay out in no uncertain terms the rules.

 

Even if she moved to another place where no one knew her, whatever it is that would have prevented her from being a Eucharistic Minister at home is still there. Now, she's compounded it by lying about it. And, I'm not sure, but hers may be an excommunicable offense at this point.

I quoted your message because of the reference to being a Eucharistic Minister.

 

My wife and I have been wrestling with this one.

 

For a couple of different reasons under the Church's Canons, my wife's sister should not even be receiving communion but she lives in a different location now where no one knows her and she has become an Eucharistic Minister in the church. I understand the fact that it is between her and God as to whether her participation is blasephemous and that I should not judge her and normally it wouldn't even concern me.

 

But, this weekend, one of the nephews is getting married and she is going to be an Eucharistic Minister at the Mass. I am planning on skipping the Church services, which I normally do for weddings anyway, and attend the reception.

 

For the record, I am not holier-than-thou and I am trying to post this without being judgmental but it is not coming off that way.

 

Am I wrong to refuse to take part in what I believe to be a blasphemous act on her part?

 

I have noted some of this as well. Communion (in both Catholic and Baptist churches) has specific requirements, but there is little or no effort of any kind whatsoever to enforce church discipline with regard to this sacrament, and that makes the church appear very hypocritical.

I quoted your message because of the reference to being a Eucharistic Minister.

 

My wife and I have been wrestling with this one.

 

For a couple of different reasons under the Church's Canons, my wife's sister should not even be receiving communion but she lives in a different location now where no one knows her and she has become an Eucharistic Minister in the church. I understand the fact that it is between her and God as to whether her participation is blasephemous and that I should not judge her and normally it wouldn't even concern me.

 

But, this weekend, one of the nephews is getting married and she is going to be an Eucharistic Minister at the Mass. I am planning on skipping the Church services, which I normally do for weddings anyway, and attend the reception.

 

For the record, I am not holier-than-thou and I am trying to post this without being judgmental but it is not coming off that way.

 

Am I wrong to refuse to take part in what I believe to be a blasphemous act on her part?

Let me add to what Rockmom said.

 

I understand your reasoning and I think that if it was me I would make sure that she knew what your objections were. I also agree that ultimately her actions are between her and God.

I have noted some of this as well. Communion (in both Catholic and Baptist churches) has specific requirements, but there is little or no effort of any kind whatsoever to enforce church discipline with regard to this sacrament, and that makes the church appear very hypocritical.

Yes and no.

 

Short of having everyone carry documentd proof that they meet requirement to recieve the Eucharist or only recieving when you are at your "home" church I don't know what can be done. At most "special event" (weddings, funerals, Christmas, Easter etc.) masses that I have attended the presiding priest has before Communion explained the church requirements for recieving. If after hearing that, a person that doesn't meet those requirements decides to take the Eucharist anyway, then it is between that person and God. I have little doubt that in the 5 years that I have been a Eucharistic Minister that I have probably given more then one First Communion.

I would, but I've been fortunate to not only have the opportunity to study different religions, but be a part of a family that includes a Southern Baptist Minister, a strict Pentecostal, a Methodist, a person who doesn't believe in organized religion at all, Church of Christ, and even some Jehovah Witnesses, and several others.

 

That's not to say I understand everything about all of them. Some things I can't wrap my mind around (ie Fundamentalism, for instance). I always learn new things.

 

OK, so we're clear on the snakes and Kool Aid things, right? :lol:

OK, so we're clear on the snakes and Kool Aid things, right? :lol:

 

Actually....let's discuss snake handling. Now, I know some about this, but could REALLY use some more insight into that one!

 

As to the Kool Aid...well....I guess we could discuss that one, but then we bring up the whole question:

 

What's the difference between a Religious Cult and a Religious Denomination....

I quoted your message because of the reference to being a Eucharistic Minister.

 

My wife and I have been wrestling with this one.

 

For a couple of different reasons under the Church's Canons, my wife's sister should not even be receiving communion but she lives in a different location now where no one knows her and she has become an Eucharistic Minister in the church. I understand the fact that it is between her and God as to whether her participation is blasephemous and that I should not judge her and normally it wouldn't even concern me.

 

But, this weekend, one of the nephews is getting married and she is going to be an Eucharistic Minister at the Mass. I am planning on skipping the Church services, which I normally do for weddings anyway, and attend the reception.

 

For the record, I am not holier-than-thou and I am trying to post this without being judgmental but it is not coming off that way.

 

Am I wrong to refuse to take part in what I believe to be a blasphemous act on her part?

I have read the posts made in this discussion and as a Catholic I have learned so much. Mr. Networks post brought up a subject with the Catholic faith that I have a real problem with. I understand that any decision an individual makes about taking communion is between them and God but people taking communion when they know they shouldn't bothers me greatly. I am not the communion police but when I know the Euchanstic Minister and know what they have done, or are doing, then yes it throws me into a complete twirl and makes me question why they are being allowed to do this. I kinda figure that if I know, then others must know that this person(s) aren't worthy of being an Euchanstic Minister. I also see people who I know shouldn't be taking communion being the first in line and I worry about what they are doing. So no I do not think that you are wrong in how you feel but I don't have a solution to this. I suppose the bottom line is, since there will never be a way to police who should and shouldn't receive communion, then it is up to us to do what we feel is right. Yes, I have passed up communion numerous times when I feel as if I am not worthy to receive it. This part of the service is, IMO, the most important part of the whole service and I don't think that anyone should ever take this lightly.

 

I was asked a few weeks ago to train to become an Euchanstic Minister and I thanked them for the opportunity but I told them that I did not feel as if I should do this. It's easy to stand there and hand out but it's an awesome responsibility and one that I just don't feel that I will ever be able to do.

What's the difference between a Religious Cult and a Religious Denomination....

Leaving.

 

What's the difference between a Religious Cult and a Religious Denomination....

 

 

I like this definition:

 

If you believe in it, it's a religion.

If you don't care one way or another about it, it a sect.

If you hate it or fear it, it's a cult.