June 1, 200719 yr His name isn't a secret in recruiting circles... How highly would he be ranked by a recruiting service in your opinion ?
June 1, 200719 yr Adam or Hernol??? One of them played for a professional team but I thought he didn't get paid but was still ruled ineligible?
June 1, 200719 yr How highly would he be ranked by a recruiting service in your opinion ? Hard to tell without seeing him play against American competition. The skills seem to be there, but it doesn't always translate well here. If I had to guess he'd be a Top 100 kid, but not close to a 5 star...
June 1, 200719 yr One of them played for a professional team but I thought he didn't get paid but was still ruled ineligible? Adam. He played on a pro team but didn't get paid. The junior team in his area folded, and it was the only way he could play at all...
June 1, 200719 yr Adam. He played on a pro team but didn't get paid. The junior team in his area folded, and it was the only way he could play at all... Found it in another thread: He wasn't much of a player when he got here to attend junior college, but the NCAA has ruled he nonetheless was a professional before he even got on a plane to leave Poland. Hrycaniuk, who now is a junior at Cincinnati, learned Tuesday he will be required to sit the entire 2006-07 season as punishment for playing basketball in his native country. He received no compensation for playing. He didn't even play much for Spojnia Stargard. But he played with one guy who received money over and above expenses -- a "professional" -- and so Hrycaniuk is considered to be tainted.
June 1, 200719 yr Found it in another thread: He wasn't much of a player when he got here to attend junior college, but the NCAA has ruled he nonetheless was a professional before he even got on a plane to leave Poland. Hrycaniuk, who now is a junior at Cincinnati, learned Tuesday he will be required to sit the entire 2006-07 season as punishment for playing basketball in his native country. He received no compensation for playing. He didn't even play much for Spojnia Stargard. But he played with one guy who received money over and above expenses -- a "professional" -- and so Hrycaniuk is considered to be tainted. Which doesn't give us much yet on this issue. And just to be clear the pro in question was a player/coach...
June 1, 200719 yr Which doesn't give us much yet on this issue. And just to be clear the pro in question was a player/coach... It certainly raises a question on the NCAA's view of what constitutes being a professional in Europe. The UC kid never got paid but was ruled to be a pro. This potential UK recruit reportedly has signed a contract with a club. Based on the former, I'd certainly be skeptical of the latter being able to play immediately.
June 1, 200719 yr BTW, did the kid that left UF during the season a few years ago sign a contract BEFORE playing for the Gators?
June 1, 200719 yr It certainly raises a question on the NCAA's view of what constitutes being a professional in Europe. The UC kid never got paid but was ruled to be a pro. This potential UK recruit reportedly has signed a contract with a club. Based on the former, I'd certainly be skeptical of the latter being able to play immediately. I'll be a little more than upset if this kid makes it through the clearinghouse...
June 1, 200719 yr I'll be a little more than upset if this kid makes it through the clearinghouse... Thus, my post.
June 1, 200719 yr I'll be a little more than upset if this kid makes it through the clearinghouse... :laugh:
June 1, 200719 yr From what I've been reading, he would be alot better than a Top 100 player...Probably a 5 star or at worse, a 4 star... a 6'3 athletic leaper with a good midrange and 3 pt shot who knows how to distribute the rock, has played well against older and stronger competition, is also a good free throw shooter and considered an immediate impact player...Hopefully, it'll work out through the Clearinghouse and SAT thing and he can become a Wildcat...I'd definately rather have him than Lucas, if nothing else, for size alone... Sounds alot like a Rex Chapman type...
June 1, 200719 yr From what I've been reading, he would be alot better than a Top 100 player...Probably a 5 star or at worse, a 4 star... a 6'3 athletic leaper with a good midrange and 3 pt shot who knows how to distribute the rock, has played well against older and stronger competition, is also a good free throw shooter and considered an immediate impact player...Hopefully, it'll work out through the Clearinghouse and SAT thing and he can become a Wildcat...I'd definately rather have him than Lucas, if nothing else, for size alone... Sounds alot like a Rex Chapman type... You're overrating foreign scouting reports. Good yes. Elite? Not at this point...
June 1, 200719 yr Matias Nocedal - NBA Draft.net NBA Comparison: Gilbert Arenas Strengths: Mati is a lead guard with special athletic gifts and offensive talent. He is considered one of the top three prospects in Latin America, and just turned 16 years old a few days ago. Nocedal raises his level of play in pressure situations and at the end of games, hitting deep threes and getting his teammates involved with accurate passes when the defense focuses on him as a scoring threat. The one thing that stands out about this kid -- that separates him from other Latin PG prospects -- is his excellent leaping ability. He dunks with ease, and has highlight reel capability. He won the dunk contest at the 2005 adidas Latin America Superstars Camp in Sao Paulo, Brazil against players two years older and much bigger. During warm-ups, he blocks his teammates’ jump shots from a standing position under the rim. Against younger competition, he likes to sneak into the lane and use his leaping ability to grab rebounds, but he doesn't try this against older, bigger players. He has a sweet shooting stroke where he gets incredible lift, enabling him to shoot over taller defenders, and he releases the ball at the peak of elevation. He has range out to the NBA 3-point line. He is an excellent free throw shooter as well. Nocedal is also extremely fast baseline to baseline and accelerates instantly. His cat-like first step is NBA quality already, and he uses it well to draw defenders and open passing lanes. He is not afraid of contact, and attacks the basket aggressively. He loves the right baseline, and uses it exceptionally well to get to the rim. He keeps the ball on a string when he dribbles, and likes to do the Michael Jordan through-the-legs dribble when setting up to attack the basket. Matias has a very mature personality. A mild-mannered small-town kid, Nocedal prefers the familiarity of playing for the same sports club and coach (outside of the city) that he has been since he was 11 years old. However, he also seems to accept his local fame in stride, and is unfazed by the attention. He has been playing point guard since he was a little kid (even though he was taller than his teammates) so he is familiar with leading a team and setting tempo. His court vision is excellent, and although he is an explosive offensive player, he never stops looking for his teammates. He gets his confidence shaken sometimes against senior competition, but only momentarily. He never stops taking it to the basket and looking for ways to adjust to what the defense throws at him. He has a decent wingspan, and his shoulders are fairly broad so he could probably hold the 20 pounds he would need to play in the NBA. Weaknesses: There is a lot of hype around this kid right now. Some scouts are not on the bandwagon because he hasn't shown enough against older, tougher competition. However, he hasn’t played consistently against senior competition either. Thankfully, the contract he recently signed with Tau Ceramica stipulates that he must play with and against older players from now on. (This report was written after seeing him against Division 2 American players from Montreat College and Tennessee Temple University). He is not a soft player, but he needs to get much stronger, as his thin frame gets knocked around a lot during games. His jump shot is something he has worked a lot at in the last year, but he needs to continue to improve his consistency from long range as he sometimes misses open shots. He should work on not forcing himself into the paint. Sometimes he goes to the basket with a reckless abandon, and turns the ball over. He forces passes on occasion as well. It is also very important for him to work on his left hand when attacking the basket. Right now, he trusts that his quickness will get him by his defenders, but he isn’t strong or confident enough going to his left. Also, while his athleticism is incredible for a 16 year old, he won’t be able to rely on it alone against NBA competition. Defensively, he uses his natural athleticism very well, but fundamentally he needs a lot of work. He must raise his intensity and toughness on defense. He has occasional mental lapses, even when guarding the player with the ball. When isolated in one-on-one situations he tends to back off a little. He needs to step up to his man more when the ball is rotated to him, as sometimes he seems complacent and lets his defender have shots unguarded. He can be found out of position on team defense as well. He needs to fully commit himself when helping out on cutters or in the post, instead of just reaching in to try for a steal. He has been listed at 6'3¨ but looks to be more like 6'2¨. However, given his age he could easily continue growing. Notes: Nocedal has signed an eight year contract with TAU Ceramica (Spain) in August 2006, but will remain in Argentina for at least one more year, playing for Argentino de Castelar in Liga B.
June 1, 200719 yr His name isn't a secret in recruiting circles... Yesterday you acted like Maggard was just throwing stuff out there with a South American pointguard. Today you act like he is well-known. :lol:
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