1 hour ago, BBHCEAGLE said:

#1 might be the hardest to find. Young successful coordinators in high school don't generally leave jobs like the NFL and college. They are harder to pry away.

I do agree with the rest of your list 

Depends on if they have to actually MOVE or not, even MORE if married + family.

Know the scene from the original "Barber Shop" & the guys that stole the ATM, who had to move it up the stairs of their apartment complex? More accurate than not & that's just towards the IDEA of it. ?

7 hours ago, I gotta go to work said:

They went 3-7. Close to being 5-5. 5-15 in two years, but wins and losses aren't the issue here. 

Can you clarify for this “know nothing”?

7 hours ago, Eagle_fan_2026 said:

If I was leading the search committee I want the following:

1. A young successful assistant from one of the local NKY high schools.

2. This young coach needs to hire a experienced assistants with local ties.

3. The new coaches needs to get active in the community. Pound the feeder systems. Scott losses so many players to other local schools. Get alumni involved.

4. The middle school needs to practice or at least the same area with the high school. I could be wrong, but I thought that is what Lloyd did a number of year ago

5. The middle school needs to run a similar system as a high school 

6. Need to establish weight and performance program.  I went to a few games this year.. they are small.  They can't compete in 5A with the current size 

Getting good assistants is tough pretty much everywhere. A lot of young guys want to step right into being a coordinator without spending the time learning. Practice times can make it tough for paras and just finding coaches is getting harder. 
 

If you share athletes (which you should) getting them in the weight room is tough. Speed grows like trees. It takes time. Kids also have to eat things other than flaming Cheetos and takis. 
 

Getting your MS program on board running and doing your stuff is harder than some think. That doesn’t even get into having quality coaches at that level. 
 

I’m not sure if Tichenor practices on the same field. Lloyd is a walking district with the MS attached to the HS as many people know. For the disadvantages that school system faces it has some real upsides. I don’t think their current success is a fluke and when that job finally opens up again it is going to be a really good one. 
 

I agree with a number of things you stated. It is just a whole lot harder and takes a lot more time than people realize I think. Like was mentioned before you really need to schedule to help the program out. 

34 minutes ago, barrel said:

Getting good assistants is tough pretty much everywhere. A lot of young guys want to step right into being a coordinator without spending the time learning. Practice times can make it tough for paras and just finding coaches is getting harder. 
 

If you share athletes (which you should) getting them in the weight room is tough. Speed grows like trees. It takes time. Kids also have to eat things other than flaming Cheetos and takis. 
 

Getting your MS program on board running and doing your stuff is harder than some think. That doesn’t even get into having quality coaches at that level. 
 

I’m not sure if Tichenor practices on the same field. Lloyd is a walking district with the MS attached to the HS as many people know. For the disadvantages that school system faces it has some real upsides. I don’t think their current success is a fluke and when that job finally opens up again it is going to be a really good one. 
 

I agree with a number of things you stated. It is just a whole lot harder and takes a lot more time than people realize I think. Like was mentioned before you really need to schedule to help the program out. 

I just looked back at Scott's schedule over the last few years. Wouldn't you think this year schedule was put together to win games.  I also think Scott was in 4A, which their old district was a lot easier than the one they are in now.

But as someone else mentioned, Scott can't keep doing the same old same old thing.  I think this is a hard place to win.  In talking to parents, the team losses a lot of players to other schools. And in my opinion how can you stop this 1) no open enrollment- which will never happen 2) build relationships from pee wee through middle school 

6 hours ago, Calico Jack said:

Schedule as many people as possible who are undoubtedly worse than you." (actually for the AD & newly hired HFC, but nonetheless when it comes to importance of BUILDING)

I think they gave this a decent shot with the schedule this year...drop the bar lower.

1 hour ago, barrel said:

I’m not sure if Tichenor practices on the same field.

Looking into this at the beginning of last year I found...They do. They share the same fieldhouse which pretty much gives them the same locker room. From Facebook post I caught over the years it looks like the JV/Varsity spend alot of time in front of the middle school lockers. They pretty much eat, sleep, shower, and breathe together.

1 hour ago, barrel said:

Lloyd is a walking district with the MS attached to the HS as many people know. For the disadvantages that school system faces it has some real upsides. I don’t think their current success is a fluke and when that job finally opens up again it is going to be a really good one. 

They have found a way to turn their " disadvantages " into a needle mover in the positive direction. Not easily done. The biggest factor....it's tight knit. When you stick together through the thick and thin the bread taste really good when you break it together.

Is Bob Black a candidate? Scott alumni, former Oline Coach, Freshman Head Coach, Former Middle school Coach. Lots of experience, Lots of ties to the organizations and Lots of ties to the community.

1 minute ago, BBHCEAGLE said:

Is Bob Black a candidate? Scott alumni, former Oline Coach, Freshman Head Coach, Former Middle school Coach. Lots of experience, Lots of ties to the organizations and Lots of ties to the community.

I believe he helps out already.

Scott seemed to have things figured out in the 2010's. When Dave Campbell arrived in 2008  he put a lot of things in place. The Taylor Mill Eagles got started in the NKYFL, solidified the middle school program with the right coaches, and installed a good football culture. When he moved on to a principal role after a few years, Dan Woolley kept the ship going. The youth program grew quickly, the middle school program won 3 championships in a 5 year stretch 2013-2017, the first of which included two wins over Aj Mayer's Covington Catholic middle school team. Good players were staying, and kids from outside of the district were even coming in. And of course there was the last play loss to Johnson Central in the region championship. Then Woolley left. His replacement, Eric Turner had a couple nice playoff runs that ended with big losses to Boyle County. Yes, they were the benefactor of being in a weak district, and playing within that district in the playoffs for the first two rounds, but still, there was success. But something changed during that time period. I don't know what happened, but things were just......different. And now, a few years later, they are back on the bottom looking up and the not-so-distant period of success is basically forgotten. The youth program is solid. The middle school program has mostly struggled since 2018 (although they did play for a championship a couple of years ago), and some good players have chosen to go elsewhere for high school. Revolving door of coaches. 

People keep saying they need a young coach. I think they need somebody with experience who can rebuild that culture from top to bottom. This is going to be a tough job for someone with no experience, and whoever gets the job will need more than just a positive attitude and lots of energy. Structural pieces are in place, namely, facilities (although the weight room needs a serious upgrade). Hopefully, they can find the right guy and get things turned around.

15 hours ago, BBHCEAGLE said:

I just wonder if the many failed retred hirings, will lead them to look at younger up and coming coaches. Someone who can grow with the program and players. 

 

Seems like following the same formula over and over hasn't resulted in success. Definition of insanity comes to mind.

I don't know that retread is necessarily correct. When Woolley left, they hired Eric Turner from Lloyd. He had turned Lloyd around, and I think most thought that he was a good if not great hire. He was a coach on the rise, and not a retread. Then, when he left, they hired an unknown from Florida, Jake Owens. That crashed when he left a couple of weeks into the season for family reasons. Owens then went on to win a State title in Florida. He intially did bring some energy and seemed like he would be a great fit. So he was likely the right guy, just the wrong circumstance, and certainly not a retread. Then they had to go interim with Hensley and take what they could get because the season was underway, which obviously didn't work out well. Then they hired Franklin, a guy from outside NKY who had experience at smaller schools (Trimble and Carrol) without strong football history. Maybe you could call him a retread, but the first two hires in this cycle were pretty big swings at raising the bar.

In the end, it looks kind of like this---they've hired a rising star coach (Turner), the outside the box hire (Owens), interim/quick fix because they had little choice (Hensley), and the boring/easy choice in Franklin. Ultimately, none worked. I really wish the Owens thing had worked out, because I do think things would look much differently now.

 

I would be calling Jake Owens again and trying to get him back.  He is on the verge of back to back state championships. 
Took over a depleted 1-8 team and has gone 20-4 in last 2 seasons and is 2 games away for another title. 

5 minutes ago, Brcatz said:

I would be calling Jake Owens again and trying to get him back.  He is on the verge of back to back state championships. 
Took over a depleted 1-8 team and has gone 20-4 in last 2 seasons and is 2 games away for another title. 

And you think he wants to leave that for Scott, why?

3 minutes ago, Honey Badger said:

And you think he wants to leave that for Scott, why?

His wife is from Owen CountyI believe, has ties to area and college coaches, he’s a huge bengals fan and ticket holder and has a Bengals Podcast.  

1 minute ago, Brcatz said:

His wife is from Owen CountyI believe, has ties to area and college coaches, he’s a huge bengals fan and ticket holder and has a Bengals Podcast.  

For back to back State Championships I am moving my family to Florida and becoming a Jacksonville Jaguars fan.