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Private vs. Public

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3 minutes ago, Cincinnati Cobra said:

I have always agreed with this. The argument many of my public school friends have always made was that private schools have an advantage by not being limited by a geographical school district, but geographical school districts are actually a parameter that public schools opt to place upon themselves. The only reason any public school system doesn't have the ability to open up to out-of-district students is because that public school system chooses not to. There are actually numerous public school districts in northern Kentucky, for example, that opt not to limit themselves that way and do allow out-of-district students to attend by paying tuition, which is effectively exactly how private schools operate. Holmes, Highlands and Beechwood all allow families from out of their districts to send their children to their schools by paying tuition.

Exactly @Cincinnati Cobra!!

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    This is my first post that isn’t about districting, but I’ve had these thoughts for years and can’t resist sharing them. In my opinion, the advantages a football program has comes down to three m

  • Public schools are the ones that have the advantage, they are free. 

  • I would say first, a perceived advantage in sports is not why most people send their kids to private schools.  In NKY, most "private" schools are actually parochial schools that parents send their kid

12 minutes ago, Cincinnati Cobra said:

I have always agreed with this. The argument many of my public school friends have always made was that private schools have an advantage by not being limited by a geographical school district, but geographical school districts are actually a parameter that public schools opt to place upon themselves. The only reason any public school system doesn't have the ability to open up to out-of-district students is because that public school system chooses not to. There are actually numerous public school districts in northern Kentucky, for example, that opt not to limit themselves that way and do allow out-of-district students to attend by paying tuition, which is effectively exactly how private schools operate. Holmes, Highlands and Beechwood all allow families from out of their districts to send their children to their schools by paying tuition.

Bingo! Thank you. In KY, you can attend almost any school you want.

In fact, I think public schools with open enrollment outnumber public schools that restrict enrollment. I believe Boone County is the only system in N. Ky. restricting enrollment and it is on paper only in Boone County. In fact, there are "out of district" students throughout Boone County schools also.

4 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Bingo! Thank you. In KY, you can attend almost any school you want.

In fact, I think public schools with open enrollment outnumber public schools that restrict enrollment. I believe Boone County is the only system restricting enrollment and it is on paper only in Boone County. In fact, there are "out of district" students throughout Boone County schools also.

Boone County is a hot mess because as you pointed out they pretend (officially on paper) that they restrict who goes where in Boone County.  But when push comes to shove, especially if you are a good athlete or have a good reason, the Boone County school system lets students move around in their system.  It is one of the major reasons Boone County is terrible in football and Cooper is so good in football. 

5 minutes ago, theguru said:

Boone County is a hot mess because as you pointed out they pretend (officially on paper) that they restrict who goes where in Boone County.  But when push comes to shove, especially if you are a good athlete or have a good reason, the Boone County school system let's students move around in their system.  It is one of the major reasons Boone County is terrible in football and Cooper is so good in football. 

It isn't just football.

Just now, Voice of Reason said:

It isn't just football.

You got me there VoR, we are in the Football Forum and I am a football guy and on and on, but you are correct here, it is universal in the system. 

I am going to get off track but Boone County is more of a combination high school and an alternative school. 

These threads are good reads if you are interested in this topic:

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

What advantage do private schools have over public schools?

Think the #1 thing would be the support, if parents are paying for education one would assume they’d be much more involved in the activities such as football, same for parents if their kid is given the opportunity to attend such an establishment from their abilities. I’m from South Central KY so we don’t have any private schools that dominate our area, but when I have crossed paths with coaches and players from those programs it was clear the discipline and leadership was second to none. Not that public schools can’t display such characteristics, plenty of examples to debunk that statement, but the pathway is much more difficult for public schools given the administration may not see it the way us football guys do. Especially when you have multiple high schools in the same school district, you start running into favoritism while leaving the other schools to fend for themselves. 

1 hour ago, theguru said:

Public schools are the ones that have the advantage, they are free. 

I'm not going to open Pandora's Box and although your point is more than fair, I will say that free isn't always better or advantageous.  I think you could argue actual and perceived advantages for each on both sides of the coin and that extends to not just on the athletic field, but in the classroom.  I'm saying this from experience with having two sons, both football players, with one going to public school and winning a state title and one going to private school, and Lord willing, also winning a state title.

35 minutes ago, Unrivaled97 said:

I'm not going to open Pandora's Box and although your point is more than fair, I will say that free isn't always better or advantageous.  I think you could argue actual and perceived advantages for each on both sides of the coin and that extends to not just on the athletic field, but in the classroom.  I'm saying this from experience with having two sons, both football players, with one going to public school and winning a state title and one going to private school, and Lord willing, also winning a state title.

I hear what you are saying but I think you are describing several Pandora's Box issues that exist in public schools after you walk inside the building that will never change as long as public schools have the monopolies they have. 

8 minutes ago, theguru said:

I hear what you are saying but I think you are describing several Pandora's Box issues that exist in public schools after you walk inside the building that will never change as long as public schools have the monopolies they have. 

Curious as to the issues “inside the building”, I.e. discipline or lack thereof.  Are many of these issues a result of our litigious society where parents view public students have a “right” to attend in contrast to where privates are viewed as a contracted privilege to conform to certain standards in order to attend.

1 minute ago, Oldercoach said:

Curious as to the issues “inside the building”, I.e. discipline or lack thereof.  Are many of these issues a result of our litigious society where parents view public students have a “right” to attend in contrast to where privates are viewed as a contracted privilege to conform to certain standards in order to attend.

I will sum it up as a lack of institutional control. 

3 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

What advantage do private schools have over public schools?

Facilites, I am sure you can find me a picture of where a public school is better than a private. Go to Lafayette’s (largest high school in the state) vs Trinity’s. Lafayette’s weight room and locker room all fit under their gym’s bleachers. 
 

Players, private school kids don’t have to deal with what a lot of public school kids have to deal with. There are more issues among public school’s teams just based off of the players and families of players. 

If private schools didn’t have advantages over public schools why pay for your kid to go there? 

11 minutes ago, Hugefootballguy said:

If private schools didn’t have advantages over public schools why pay for your kid to go there? 

I would say first, a perceived advantage in sports is not why most people send their kids to private schools.  In NKY, most "private" schools are actually parochial schools that parents send their kids to for a faith-based education.  There are certainly parents who do so for sports, just like they go to different public schools for sports, but sports are not why there are so many catholic schools in NKY.  

 

I would argue that sometimes in sports there is a disadvantage.  Parents pay for every facility or piece of equipment directly in tuition or sports fees or through fundraisers. My kids have a grass soccer field that isn't in the best shape and no home football field because our school doesn't have millions of dollars for a turf field.  My tax dollars, however, built beautiful facilities for the Kenton County schools.  I chose to send my kids where I did so no sour grapes, just facts.   

I would say the schools with an advantage whether public or private are those with involved parents and or a tradition of success.  Success breeds success 

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