For the sake of this discussion,  we are making assumptions perhaps based on a fraction of the available information.   Perhaps the decision was made based on past history, histrionics or past transgressions as a student or player and this action is merited. 

I've seen players sit on the bench, dugout or sidelines that have been suspended for academic or behavioral reasons.   I feel that it is a more punitive action to force them to watch from the bench, and be seen as such,  than just not attend. 

I'm fully supportive of the suspension,  but unless there is a compelling argument based on other incidents,  I believe that he should be able to participate in the Senior Night activities.  Kids deserve second chances, just not sure if he has exercised his already.

 

 

My opinion is, if he is allowed to return to the team after the 2 week suspension, then he should be able to walk and be recognized as a senior team member. That recognition has nothing to do with the game, and the suspension prevents him from participating in game. So if allowed to return to team, then he should be able to walk., unless you have removed him permanently from the team. After all if able to return, he is still an actual senior team member.

On 9/22/2021 at 1:57 PM, 1Forrest1 said:

I get he is young, but to publicly embarrass your team and carry on the way he did can not go unpunished. 
 

If you let him walk then he gets to walk in dress pants and a team shirt. He needs to earn that jersey back, earn the respect back from his team and coaches. 
 

Teams can’t let this behavior happen. 

I agree 100%.  He did this publicly in front of his coaches, fans, classmates and teammates.  This is as much a teaching moment to the other kids as it is to this young man.  Whatever the team managers are wearing to senior night that's what he wears.  After two weeks, if he is contrite and has apologized, he is welcome back with open arms.  As a coach, if the kid handles this the right way and does what we ask, he would probably end up being one of my favorite players.  

Believe it or Not, he is WALKING for Senior Day .... someone backed down. IMO What is wrong with the Youth today, No One will Stand their Ground. 

Sorry.... i thought this was a thread about my experience at Plaza Tire yesterday. I will excuse myself. 

On 9/22/2021 at 7:33 PM, wrn1979 said:

I agree with this statement. It’s 100% lack of parenting or lack of parents.

I get the point... which is don't blame the kid's actions on some third party that isn't anywhere near the situation (like professional athletes).  Assign the blame closer to home (literally).  

But it may not have everything or even anything to do with the parents either.  Good parents are not responsible for choices their kids make that go against everything they have been taught.  I did lots of asinine things as a teen that I can in no way blame on my parents (and for which I was royally punished... when they knew about it).  

The kid bears the responsibility and must be made to bear the consequences.  Perhaps, poor parenting went into it, but that can only be determined on a case-by-case basis and is almost never 100% the parents' fault.  The young man could have done differently but chose not to.  I'm not picking on you @wrn1979, just making a point about who is really at fault and therefore must be held accountable.  It is the opportunity for a good life lesson for all who are watching.  I really liked the comment that said the kid's contrition should be considered when determining the extent of the consequence.  

2 hours ago, oldgrappler said:

I get the point... which is don't blame the kid's actions on some third party that isn't anywhere near the situation (like professional athletes).  Assign the blame closer to home (literally).  

But it may not have everything or even anything to do with the parents either.  Good parents are not responsible for choices their kids make that go against everything they have been taught.  I did lots of asinine things as a teen that I can in no way blame on my parents (and for which I was royally punished... when they knew about it).  

The kid bears the responsibility and must be made to bear the consequences.  Perhaps, poor parenting went into it, but that can only be determined on a case-by-case basis and is almost never 100% the parents' fault.  The young man could have done differently but chose not to.  I'm not picking on you @wrn1979, just making a point about who is really at fault and therefore must be held accountable.  It is the opportunity for a good life lesson for all who are watching.  I really liked the comment that said the kid's contrition should be considered when determining the extent of the consequence.  

I agree with you. Unfortunately, a large percentage of parents in today’s world do nothing but support their kids against any kind of discipline issued by a school. 

2 hours ago, wrn1979 said:

I agree with you. Unfortunately, a large percentage of parents in today’s world do nothing but support their kids against any kind of discipline issued by a school. 

I hear you but as a parent of two kids that went through school, the schools don't always get it right.  In other words, I always wanted to be the parent that supported the schools decisions until I experienced their incompetence.  Also, and I don't really want to get into it, when I was in law enforcement I was pretty much shocked at some of the things schools do behind the scenes.  Generally speaking schools have my vote of no confidence and I wish I didn't feel that way.

On 9/25/2021 at 1:50 AM, Bluebirdbath said:

Believe it or Not, he is WALKING for Senior Day .... someone backed down. IMO What is wrong with the Youth today, No One will Stand their Ground. 

Really disappointed to hear this. Had to suspend some kids from participating in state competition for showing up to practice the day before late. Hated to do it, but had to send a message to the younger athletes that this behavior of doing what you want when you want to will not be tolerated. There was also a previous incident earlier in the season with one of the athletes that was taken into consideration. 

On 9/25/2021 at 3:07 PM, theguru said:

I hear you but as a parent of two kids that went through school, the schools don't always get it right.  In other words, I always wanted to be the parent that supported the schools decisions until I experienced their incompetence.  Also, and I don't really want to get into it, when I was in law enforcement I was pretty much shocked at some of the things schools do behind the scenes.  Generally speaking schools have my vote of no confidence and I wish I didn't feel that way.

It's unfortunate you have no confidence in the schools handling of situations. Are you able/willing to give a general example of something that led to your diminished lack of trust? 

1 minute ago, KyPreps1965 said:

It's unfortunate you have no confidence in the schools handling of situations. Are you able/willing to give a general example of something that led to your diminished lack of trust? 

Some personal and professional experiences.  In short, the school is always looking out for the school.

It is not a laughable topic, however sometimes I find myself laughing to keep from crying at the youth and the situations today.  None of these kids would want to spend a month in my house, or maybe I wouldn't want them in my house for a month, I am not a screamer or a hitter, but I hold a strong constitution, If I say I am going to hug you I will hug you, IF I say you are grounded, I defy you to even try to get out of the house, use the phone, watch the TV, etc. What I say I mean. IMMHO, one of the issues today is parents do not follow thru with "idle threats"  Its no more than that, an Idle Threat, and the kids know it. Do Not Make a Punishment so difficult you cannot hold to....If you tell a Kid he/she cannot do something, then you can't either, choose your words wisely. If your child is grounded from Friday Night Football Game and you want to go, then the CHILD needs to sit next to you, no matter if the child is a Junior in High School, that is more punishment than them staying home not being seen. I rest my case. 

1 minute ago, Bluebirdbath said:

It is not a laughable topic, however sometimes I find myself laughing to keep from crying at the youth and the situations today.  None of these kids would want to spend a month in my house, or maybe I wouldn't want them in my house for a month, I am not a screamer or a hitter, but I hold a strong constitution, If I say I am going to hug you I will hug you, IF I say you are grounded, I defy you to even try to get out of the house, use the phone, watch the TV, etc. What I say I mean. IMMHO, one of the issues today is parents do not follow thru with "idle threats"  Its no more than that, an Idle Threat, and the kids know it. Do Not Make a Punishment so difficult you cannot hold to....If you tell a Kid he/she cannot do something, then you can't either, choose your words wisely. If your child is grounded from Friday Night Football Game and you want to go, then the CHILD needs to sit next to you, no matter if the child is a Junior in High School, that is more punishment than them staying home not being seen. I rest my case. 

4 minutes ago, theguru said:

Amen LOL!