• During his tenure at Trinity, the school has won four state titles but only produced three Division I signees:

"The one thing that is a fallacy out there is that we just get tremendous athletes. We have kids that commit and they commit to getting better. It just goes to show you that team is so much more powerful than individuals. I had four Division I kids on one team at Blue Springs and it was the worst nightmare of my career. The power of togetherness and the power of team is strong. Give me the average kid that wants to work his butt off over the talented kid who doesn't want to work and I will choose that average kid every time."

 

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• During his tenure at Trinity, the school has won four state titles but only produced three Division I signees:

"The one thing that is a fallacy out there is that we just get tremendous athletes. We have kids that commit and they commit to getting better. It just goes to show you that team is so much more powerful than individuals. I had four Division I kids on one team at Blue Springs and it was the worst nightmare of my career. The power of togetherness and the power of team is strong. Give me the average kid that wants to work his butt off over the talented kid who doesn't want to work and I will choose that average kid every time."

 

http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/blog.html

Is Trinity loaded like a team from Dade county? No. They're not even loaded like a Male. But 'average' kids? Don't feed me that.

 

Trinity doesn't have the star wattage of many D-I kids. Instead, they have a LOT of players that aren't at that level, but are a cut above the average level. Part of that is the coaching, because you can cultivate an average talent to above average but short of spectacular. Part of it is numbers.

 

Trinity's biggest strengths are the program itself, the coaching, the community (both at the school and the greater catholic community in the metro area) and, yes, numbers. Doesn't take away from what they are, and it doesn't make them something they aren't (a D-I football factory) but it does mean that I haven't seen a lot of 'average' kids starting for Trinity.

Is Trinity loaded like a team from Dade county? No. They're not even loaded like a Male. But 'average' kids? Don't feed me that.

 

Trinity doesn't have the star wattage of many D-I kids. Instead, they have a LOT of players that aren't at that level, but are a cut above the average level. Part of that is the coaching, because you can cultivate an average talent to above average but short of spectacular. Part of it is numbers.

 

Trinity's biggest strengths are the program itself, the coaching, the community (both at the school and the greater catholic community in the metro area) and, yes, numbers. Doesn't take away from what they are, and it doesn't make them something they aren't (a D-I football factory) but it does mean that I haven't seen a lot of 'average' kids starting for Trinity.

 

 

But don't you think that the hard work and committment that Beatty is referring to also plays a large part in creating those above average players? You can have the best coaches in the world, but unless the kids are willing to work real hard year in and year out, you won't have the high caliber of success that Trinity has year in and year out. It is the reason why, in my opinion, that schools like Trinity, don't talk about success in cycles. The good coaching is a constant and the committed kids are a constant.

But don't you think that the hard work and committment that Beatty is referring to also plays a large part in creating those above average players? You can have the best coaches in the world, but unless the kids are willing to work real hard year in and year out, you won't have the high caliber of success that Trinity has year in and year out. It is the reason why, in my opinion, that schools like Trinity, don't talk about success in cycles. The good coaching is a constant and the committed kids are a constant.

Dead on Leatherneck, just like on your side of the Licking, Highlands is a huge success because of those exact reasons

But don't you think that the hard work and committment that Beatty is referring to also plays a large part in creating those above average players? You can have the best coaches in the world, but unless the kids are willing to work real hard year in and year out, you won't have the high caliber of success that Trinity has year in and year out. It is the reason why, in my opinion, that schools like Trinity, don't talk about success in cycles. The good coaching is a constant and the committed kids are a constant.

I considered that part of the community and program advantages. The kids don't sign up for Trinity football because they're all morally superior than kids that sign up to play elsewhere, the program and community instills a dedication (on top of the fact that committing to the program anywhere does require an elite level of dedication from individuals involved, this is comparing apples to apples not apples to oranges if you understand me.)

 

As to the last part, the numbers are a constant, too. And while cycles are less pronounced than at a school with less of all of those ingredients, they ARE there. Just ask Male, a program that certainly doesn't have the cycles of, say, a Louisville Central.

 

Trinity is the best program in the state IMO, and you can ask RP or TD- I'm no Rock hater. I just think that you have to acknowledge that they aren't getting by with what would be considered average talent in the rest of the state. Not big time next level guys, but not average.

Not to mention that I consider the four-year senior players at a school like Atherton to have a dedication level proven beyond the players at any school with any level of success, and not a lot to show for it. It would be totally classless and unfair to claim that the Trinity players just 'want it' more than a team like that, and I don't think anyone would purposefully do that. But it does get under my skin when proponents of a powerhouse claim that their success is due ONLY to the will of their players, when it's clear in my mind that it's easier to go out every Friday for a team that wins 10+ games a year than to suit up for a squad that hopes for that win total in a decade.

02Ram54 has some valid points...Yes, Beatty and staff have done a fine job with the program, but, I would think alot of coaches across the state would do as well given the same situation...It really boils down to #s more than anything else...When you've got 120 kids in the top 2-3 grades to choose from, I'd think there would be very few average players...I'd venture to say that there 2nd and 3rd string players could start for most programs in the state...Throw in the tradition factor and the entire metro area to choose from and you've got it in a nutshell...

Is Trinity loaded like a team from Dade county? No. They're not even loaded like a Male. But 'average' kids? Don't feed me that.

 

Trinity doesn't have the star wattage of many D-I kids. Instead, they have a LOT of players that aren't at that level, but are a cut above the average level. Part of that is the coaching, because you can cultivate an average talent to above average but short of spectacular. Part of it is numbers.

 

Trinity's biggest strengths are the program itself, the coaching, the community (both at the school and the greater catholic community in the metro area) and, yes, numbers. Doesn't take away from what they are, and it doesn't make them something they aren't (a D-I football factory) but it does mean that I haven't seen a lot of 'average' kids starting for Trinity.

I can agree with this as well.

02Ram54 has some valid points...Yes, Beatty and staff have done a fine job with the program, but, I would think alot of coaches across the state would do as well given the same situation...It really boils down to #s more than anything else...When you've got 120 kids in the top 2-3 grades to choose from, I'd think there would be very few average players...I'd venture to say that there 2nd and 3rd string players could start for most programs in the state...Throw in the tradition factor and the entire metro area to choose from and you've got it in a nutshell...

I didn't say that.

Yes, Beatty and staff have done a fine job with the program, but, I would think alot of coaches across the state would do as well given the same situation...It really boils down to #s more than anything else...When you've got 120 kids in the top 2-3 grades to choose from, I'd think there would be very few average players...

This part of the post drives me insane....we log the hours, believe it...other schools do as well...but I would venture that not that many do...Most of our kids are one show ponies (don't play other sports), I think that's a big indicator. Please don't fool yourself into thinking that we just plug the next coach in there, and the animail will succeed...it is done by those great men that have headed our programs..

 

Lastly, #'s? Well, we started from NOTHING....we built Kentucky's Football Powerhouse....we earned the advantages that we have.

But it does get under my skin when proponents of a powerhouse claim that their success is due ONLY to the will of their players, when it's clear in my mind that it's easier to go out every Friday for a team that wins 10+ games a year than to suit up for a squad that hopes for that win total in a decade.

I agree with most of your points. Let me just add that it is not too fun to lift 6 days a week from January to August, go through indoor conditioning, play in all of the 7 on 7's, and have football commitments 6 times a week from August to December 1. Sure it's easier to go out on Fridays and play at a winning school, but it's not easy to get up at 6:00 in mid January and lift. No other school in the state does this, unless they've been to the finals 6 out of 7 years. The Trinity players have about a month and a half off a year (Early December to mid January).

I agree with most of your points. Let me just add that it is not too fun to lift 6 days a week from January to August, go through indoor conditioning, play in all of the 7 on 7's, and have football commitments 6 times a week from August to December 1. Sure it's easier to go out on Fridays and play at a winning school, but it's not easy to get up at 6:00 in mid January and lift. No other school in the state does this, unless they've been to the finals 6 out of 7 years. The Trinity players have about a month and a half off a year (Early December to mid January).

...right....now add to it that MANY of these kids only get their glory as seniors....that's something right there.

The defining factor between a very good high school player and a Div I player is SPEED.

 

Trinity rarely has a player with Div I speed; they have players with good quickness, which is something that can be improved with off season agility and quickness drills along with in season football specific work.

 

So, I agree with Coach Beatty; Trinity has taken kids with average God-given ability and good toughness and developed their football ability.

02Ram54 has some valid points...Yes, Beatty and staff have done a fine job with the program, but, I would think alot of coaches across the state would do as well given the same situation...It really boils down to #s more than anything else...When you've got 120 kids in the top 2-3 grades to choose from, I'd think there would be very few average players...I'd venture to say that there 2nd and 3rd string players could start for most programs in the state...Throw in the tradition factor and the entire metro area to choose from and you've got it in a nutshell...

 

To your first point. I know of several that haven't. Don't sell Beatty and staff short. They are the best in my opinion and Beatty is the glue tht holds it together. OCs come and go, DCs come and go, etc. but the winning doesn't stop during the Beatty era. Not a slam at anyone else, but the program is in a great place right now and Bob is biggest part of that. FYI, Trinity doesn't have a hundred kids in the soph/jr/senior classes. More like a total of 90 to 95. Is Trinity a great program to be in charge of? Of course. Is success guaranteed? No way.

I agree with most of your points. Let me just add that it is not too fun to lift 6 days a week from January to August, go through indoor conditioning, play in all of the 7 on 7's, and have football commitments 6 times a week from August to December 1. Sure it's easier to go out on Fridays and play at a winning school, but it's not easy to get up at 6:00 in mid January and lift. No other school in the state does this, unless they've been to the finals 6 out of 7 years. The Trinity players have about a month and a half off a year (Early December to mid January).

I had a similar down-time, except of course earlier exits from the playoffs. But while we didn't have pads practices during the playoff season once we were out, we were of course free to lift and many did. I must admit that I strenuously avoided running during the month of November.

 

And while lifting and conditioning and the grind of the season is tough, it's a lot easier when the goals are not only lofty but constantly being realized. It's one thing to work hard to win titles and championships when you KNOW those goals are not only possible, but by past performance and weekly testing probable; it's another when your team has never tasted those things, and anyone with eyes knows that this year isn't going to be any different.