Never said that there is anything wrong with working with your hands...but dont sit and say that they have opportunities others dont. ANYONE can invest and make dividends. They might have to make sacrifices but ANYONE can invest. And your right everyone cant be a chief...the world does need ditch diggers...but dont set back and hate the chief.

 

You probably need to actually read my post before you reply. No body hates the chief........in fact I said "that's what we all srtive for. But your conception that everyone can invest is ridiculous. You need to get out more. Take a ride to Over The Rhine tonight, roll down and window and ask someone on the street who their stock broker is. Let me know how that works out for ya. LOL

You probably need to actually read my post before you reply. No body hates the chief........in fact I said "that's what we all srtive for. But your conception that everyone can invest is ridiculous. You need to get out more. Take a ride to Over The Rhine tonight, roll down and window and ask someone on the street who their stock broker is. Let me know how that works out for ya. LOL

 

What does that have to do with being ABLE too? Let me ask you this WHY CAN'T they invest?

What does that have to do with being ABLE too? Let me ask you this WHY CAN'T they invest?

 

Ummmm.....Think about it.

Ummmm.....Think about it.

 

Why dont you just answer the question?

Income based on percentage paid. And yes, the 10th man pays more, but he reeps the most bennefits. The opportunity to earn even more income by investing, dividens, savings intrest ect. The first five of 6 men can't afford to invest.

This is so untrue. The man earning the most actually gets the least back from his taxes. Its unlikely that he is receiving money from any government program, unlike the poor man. Also, for every dollar he earns, he only see 65-70 cents of it, whereas the middle earner sees 85-90 of his income. He is also inelgible for most tax breaks and credits that the middle and poor get.

 

His opportunities to earn a large income and have investment income come from his efforts. Those opportunities are a reward for success.

This is so untrue. The man earning the most actually gets the least back from his taxes. Its unlikely that he is receiving money from any government program, unlike the poor man. Also, for every dollar he earns, he only see 65-70 cents of it, whereas the middle earner sees 85-90 of his income. He is also inelgible for most tax breaks and credits that the middle and poor get.

 

His opportunities to earn a large income and have investment income come from his efforts. Those opportunities are a reward for success.

 

When you say he gets no benefits you mean that he doesn't use the highway, or didn't use the education system (or at least rely on it for educated workers), or doesn't use airports, or the police or fire protection or the American defense system to keep him safe from terrorists, or he won't receive Soc. Sec., or his corporation didn't receive any incentives, or their were no tariffs placed on imports so he could keep his prices high, or good gosh I don't have time to list all the benefits that he uses that the poor do not. He gets way more benefit than the poor.

Look at it as a return on investment. The individuals who pay the bulk of the taxes receive far less return on their investment than do those who pay nothing, pay very little, or win in the EIC lottery.

 

No one should begrudge the truly needy. However, we have a goodly number who live off the rest of us and this habit is perpetuated from generation to generation. It will certainly increase in the next two years.

When you say he gets no benefits you mean that he doesn't use the highway, or didn't use the education system (or at least rely on it for educated workers), or doesn't use airports, or the police or fire protection or the American defense system to keep him safe from terrorists, or he won't receive Soc. Sec., or his corporation didn't receive any incentives, or their were no tariffs placed on imports so he could keep his prices high, or good gosh I don't have time to list all the benefits that he uses that the poor do not. He gets way more benefit than the poor.

He gets the same benefits as me, but he pays a whole lot more for them.

When you say he gets no benefits you mean that he doesn't use the highway, or didn't use the education system (or at least rely on it for educated workers), or doesn't use airports, or the police or fire protection or the American defense system to keep him safe from terrorists, or he won't receive Soc. Sec., or his corporation didn't receive any incentives, or their were no tariffs placed on imports so he could keep his prices high, or good gosh I don't have time to list all the benefits that he uses that the poor do not. He gets way more benefit than the poor.

 

Does the poor not use the highways, education system, airports, police, fire, defense system, social security (who I would argue that the poor get the most benefit).

 

These other...as you call "benefits" are not benefits. They are rights that are given to EVERYONE. Just because someone never gets to use them doesnt mean they are only afforded to the RICH. You say it as if the poor dont have the opportunity.

Does the poor not use the highways, education system, airports, police, fire, defense system, social security (who I would argue that the poor get the most benefit).

 

These other...as you call "benefits" are not benefits. They are rights that are given to EVERYONE. Just because someone never gets to use them doesnt mean they are only afforded to the RICH. You say it as if the poor dont have the opportunity.

 

Many of the boys I coached in basketball had never been on and interstate and some will never likely be on an interstate, much less a plane. I would say they get very little benefit except necessary usage - while the wealthy use that government spending to make money and they use it alot.

 

It is not a matter of saying the poor don't get benefits, but to suggest that the wealthy do not get a good return on their investment in the infrastructure of this country is just plain silly. It is the infrastructure and the tax system that has allowed them to make money. Their/Your whomevers only complaint is that they want to make MORE or they want to KEEP MORE - Why? Don't they have enough?

Only they can answer your question, not you or I.

Many of the boys I coached in basketball had never been on and interstate and some will never likely be on an interstate, much less a plane. I would say they get very little benefit except necessary usage - while the wealthy use that government spending to make money and they use it alot.

 

It is not a matter of saying the poor don't get benefits, but to suggest that the wealthy do not get a good return on their investment in the infrastructure of this country is just plain silly. It is the infrastructure and the tax system that has allowed them to make money. Their/Your whomevers only complaint is that they want to make MORE or they want to KEEP MORE - Why? Don't they have enough?

 

I'm dying to know, where do you live. I didn't realize my frequent interstate usage put me in the societial elite. I'll be traveling on 4 different ones this evening, I'd better pack my silver spoon.

I'm dying to know, where do you live. I didn't realize my frequent interstate usage put me in the societial elite. I'll be traveling on 4 different ones this evening, I'd better pack my silver spoon.

 

Funny how much we take for granted. There is a very large population of folks, mosstly inner city, that do not own cars, live and work within the same city and could care less if there were interstates or airports.

Funny how much we take for granted. There is a very large population of folks, mosstly inner city, that do not own cars, live and work within the same city and could care less if there were interstates or airports.

 

Thanks DD, and not only inner city.

 

How far away from a commercial airport or an interstate is Hazard, or Manchester or Pikeville, or Middlesboro. I know Middlesboro is an hour from I75 in Corbin and an hour to I64 in Knoxville. Knoxville also has the closest municipal airport which is about an hour and half drive.

 

What about Casey County. How far away are they from an interstate?

 

Does anyone realize that there are still homes in Eastern Kentucky and elsewhere I am sure that do not have running water (municipalities can't run pipes up the hollers) and have straight pipes for sewage? Tell me that GE and its stockholders don't benefit more from the taxes paid to the government!! Baloney.

Look at it as a return on investment. The individuals who pay the bulk of the taxes receive far less return on their investment than do those who pay nothing, pay very little, or win in the EIC lottery.

 

No one should begrudge the truly needy. However, we have a goodly number who live off the rest of us and this habit is perpetuated from generation to generation. It will certainly increase in the next two years.

Couldn't have said it better myself:thumb: . Since the 1960s beginning with LBJ's Great Society programs and continuing up to the present time, too many people accept welfare as a way of life, and it carries over from one generation to another. And it will get worse before it gets better.