AverageJoesGym Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 The Reds are now 1-18 in his starts. He's got a 3.8 WAR for his career. I know it is in hindsight, but is this the worst contract in Reds history? 6 years for $105 million has netted the Reds 18 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpapa Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Before the most recent start/loss, I saw a factoid on the (then) 1-17 record in his starts. It said this was the worst record through 18 starts for any one pitcher/team combo since someone on the Cleveland Spiders in 1899. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpa2825 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Could be the worst signing in baseball history! His 2018 WAR is -1.7 and he made $20M! Maybe Bruce Sutter for the Braves OR the LHP from the A's that moved to SFG? (Forget his name.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Homer is not that bad. IF he becomes the scapegoat, then the ownership really is clueless. We wasted some of his good starts, never score runs for him, and play terrible defense when he pitches. Deangelo Jiminez was a terrible contract. You can even say Barry Larkin's contract was equally bad. Johnny Cueto's contract with the giants is also bad for what they are getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet16 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Homer is not that bad. IF he becomes the scapegoat, then the ownership really is clueless. We wasted some of his good starts, never score runs for him, and play terrible defense when he pitches. . His ERA is over 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Homer has quality starts in about one third of his starts, which is pretty much the same ratio as all the other Reds starters. In Homer's 6 quality starts, the Reds scored 2 or fewer runs every game. Here are the ERA's of the Reds starting pitchers: Desclafani ..... 4.37 Harvey .......... 4.43 Castillo .......... 4.83 Mahle ............ 4.95 Romano ........ 5.35 Bailey ........... 6.13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoesGym Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 Homer has quality starts in about one third of his starts, which is pretty much the same ratio as all the other Reds starters. In Homer's 6 quality starts, the Reds scored 2 or fewer runs every game. Here are the ERA's of the Reds starting pitchers: Desclafani ..... 4.37 Harvey .......... 4.43 Castillo .......... 4.83 Mahle ............ 4.95 Romano ........ 5.35 Bailey ........... 6.13 And he's making as much as pretty much all of them combined isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plantmanky Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Homer has quality starts in about one third of his starts, which is pretty much the same ratio as all the other Reds starters. In Homer's 6 quality starts, the Reds scored 2 or fewer runs every game. Here are the ERA's of the Reds starting pitchers: Desclafani ..... 4.37 Harvey .......... 4.43 Castillo .......... 4.83 Mahle ............ 4.95 Romano ........ 5.35 Bailey ........... 6.13 So in other words, the entire staff sucks and ownership has screwed up this so called rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKMustangFan Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 My issue is they're still giving Homer and Harvey starts while sending guys like Romano to the bullpen after 2 poor outings. This season should've been about letting the youngsters (Romano, Castillo, Mahle, Stephenson, Reed, etc) each get 25+ starts and take their lumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Hangin Around Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Could be the worst signing in baseball history! His 2018 WAR is -1.7 and he made $20M! Maybe Bruce Sutter for the Braves OR the LHP from the A's that moved to SFG? (Forget his name.) Barry Zito? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Hangin Around Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 My issue is they're still giving Homer and Harvey starts while sending guys like Romano to the bullpen after 2 poor outings. This season should've been about letting the youngsters (Romano, Castillo, Mahle, Stephenson, Reed, etc) each get 25+ starts and take their lumps. While I agree with you to some extent, taking lumps doesn't work for all pitchers. Some lose their confidence and never regain it. Reed seems to have gotten over his issues with throwing strikes and avoiding walks, Mahle, Romano and Stephenson haven't. They still want to pick around the plate instead of attacking hitters and shortening their pitch counts. I think these young guys have to learn to trust their stuff especially Castillo. He has dynamite stuff and could easily become a #1 on this staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKMustangFan Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 While I agree with you to some extent, taking lumps doesn't work for all pitchers. Some lose their confidence and never regain it. Reed seems to have gotten over his issues with throwing strikes and avoiding walks, Mahle, Romano and Stephenson haven't. They still want to pick around the plate instead of attacking hitters and shortening their pitch counts. I think these young guys have to learn to trust their stuff especially Castillo. He has dynamite stuff and could easily become a #1 on this staff That's kind of the point IMO. You let them take their lumps. The ones that can't handle it aren't long for the big leagues as it is, so best to find out right away. The pitchers that make it are capable of bouncing back from rough patches. Gotta find out what you have IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Quarters Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 The Reds are now 1-18 in his starts. He's got a 3.8 WAR for his career. I know it is in hindsight, but is this the worst contract in Reds history? 6 years for $105 million has netted the Reds 18 wins. YES, by far the worst contract in Reds history ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Quarters Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Homer is not that bad. IF he becomes the scapegoat, then the ownership really is clueless. We wasted some of his good starts, never score runs for him, and play terrible defense when he pitches. Deangelo Jiminez was a terrible contract. You can even say Barry Larkin's contract was equally bad. Johnny Cueto's contract with the giants is also bad for what they are getting. Really, you can throw this year out and the contract is still BAD. How would like to be signing his paycheck ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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