April 19, 20188 yr I haven't read the article but this one makes my spider sense tingle. My gut says if two sophisticated white women walked in to use the restroom nothing would have been said to them. Police Chief said an in uniform police sergeant was refused the bathroom a while back at Starbucks because he hadn't made a purchase either. Seems Starbucks is pretty anal about their bathroom policy.
April 19, 20188 yr Police Chief said an in uniform police sergeant was refused the bathroom a while back at Starbucks because he hadn't made a purchase either. At this same establishment?
April 19, 20188 yr At this same establishment? I'm not sure, I just know it was a Starbucks in the same city.
April 19, 20188 yr I always drink water at a restaurant, so I'm not sure that matters one way or another. Yes, I've told them I'm waiting for someone and have never been asked to leave. But If I were asked to order or leave, I'd probably leave. I'm just saying that if this guy told an employee that he was meeting someone, and he says he did, then I think this is profiling. I guess it just seems odd to me that a person who was not paying for service or product was asked to leave and everyone automatically leaps to profiling. How many other people has this location or this manager asked to leave because they weren't paying before? Does this location ever let non-paying customers use the restrooms without buying something? How crowded is this Starbucks? Has this Starbucks had issues with loitering or issues with people in their restrooms? What was the exchange between the guys and the manager about bathroom use like? I think we need to know the answers to a lot of those questions before we leap to profiling, don't you?
April 19, 20188 yr I guess it just seems odd to me that a person who was not paying for service or product was asked to leave and everyone automatically leaps to profiling. How many other people has this location or this manager asked to leave because they weren't paying before? Does this location ever let non-paying customers use the restrooms without buying something? How crowded is this Starbucks? Has this Starbucks had issues with loitering or issues with people in their restrooms? What was the exchange between the guys and the manager about bathroom use like? I think we need to know the answers to a lot of those questions before we leap to profiling, don't you? Additionally after being asked to leave repeatedly by the store staff they also refused when the police requested that they leave. If a business ask you to leave and your refuse, the police have little recouse but to arrest you for tresspassing.
April 19, 20188 yr Police Chief said an in uniform police sergeant was refused the bathroom a while back at Starbucks because he hadn't made a purchase either. Seems Starbucks is pretty anal about their bathroom policy. Did the Chief say what the Sarge did after he was refused? I am wondering if he left without incident, bought something and tinkled, or he staged a sit in?
April 19, 20188 yr Generally the truth is somewhere in-between. These guys wanted to use the restroom. Once denied, in an act of protest they sat there and refused to leave. But probably the same latitude was not given to them that would have been given to a sophisticated looking white person. I again want to state Starbucks probably denies 1,000s of people a day from using their restrooms without being a paying customer. Where did you read that? Everything that I've read, including this article, says that they were meeting someone there. That person, Mr. Yaffe, showed up a few minutes after the arrest started.
April 19, 20188 yr Additionally after being asked to leave repeatedly by the store staff they also refused when the police requested that they leave. If a business ask you to leave and your refuse, the police have little recouse but to arrest you for tresspassing. Yeah, not sure what else the police were supposed to do.
April 19, 20188 yr Author What about the stat in the 2nd article that stated that 3% of the population in that area accounted for 2/3 of all police stops in that area for the first 6 months of last year?
April 19, 20188 yr Police Chief said an in uniform police sergeant was refused the bathroom a while back at Starbucks because he hadn't made a purchase either. Seems Starbucks is pretty anal about their bathroom policy. Man, if that's the case, this whole profiling bit goes out the window.
April 19, 20188 yr I guess it just seems odd to me that a person who was not paying for service or product was asked to leave and everyone automatically leaps to profiling. How many other people has this location or this manager asked to leave because they weren't paying before? Does this location ever let non-paying customers use the restrooms without buying something? How crowded is this Starbucks? Has this Starbucks had issues with loitering or issues with people in their restrooms? What was the exchange between the guys and the manager about bathroom use like? I think we need to know the answers to a lot of those questions before we leap to profiling, don't you? I think the issue that folks have... is if the policy is applied to whites as well as blacks.
April 19, 20188 yr What about the stat in the 2nd article that stated that 3% of the population in that area accounted for 2/3 of all police stops in that area for the first 6 months of last year? I don't really think there's a correlation between that and this. This has to do with Starbucks. That has to do with Philly PD.
April 19, 20188 yr I think the issue that folks have... is if the policy is applied to whites as well as blacks. And I guess the issue I'm having is why we automatically, without any evidence, assume it's different? If a Philly Starbucks refused to allow a uniformed officer to use the restroom without a purchase, doesn't that kind of fly in the face of the whole profiling idea?
April 19, 20188 yr Man, if that's the case, this whole profiling bit goes out the window. A part of me really agrees with you there. In short, I think the Police Sarge being denied is proof that the "Bathroom Policy" is not applied equally by all Starbucks employees.
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