And here I thought we were having a civil discussion.

 

You completely ignored what I said, that's on you. I have clearly answered your question twice now. And you still ignored it and made a post claiming i said something i did not say.

I honestly had no clue Kroger sold guns.

 

It's the Fred Meyer stores they own.

Do you think that accusation without proof or a conviction should stop someone from being able to purchase a gun?

 

One accusation or report? Absolutely not. Several accusations or reports? Should absolutely, at minimum, warrant a second look by someone in law enforcement.

Good conversation but EVERYONE quit taking personal jabs or this is getting closed down.

Is Walmart getting this much grief? Will Kroger?

 

Where are people going to get their groceries? :lol2:

I get that, but the way I see it is the background check would see there's been a police report filed. That would automatically put a hold on the application and immediately request a copy of the report be sent from the police for review.

If this were to be included it should just be hold and the sale not allowed. Gun dealers don't need to be reviewing police reports. Might even be privacy issues there.

One accusation or report? Absolutely not. Several accusations or reports? Should absolutely, at minimum, warrant a second look by someone in law enforcement.

 

Law enforcement should look into all accusations made to them.

 

That's not what we are talking about.

 

We are talking about putting unfounded accusations on background checks.

 

If they have already been investigated and are unfounded or no charges were filed, I don't believe it should go on a background check.

Before Mental Health can EVER be considered HIPPA laws will have to be changed. Current Federal Law prohibits sharing of Medical Records with anyone not listed by the patient...including the FBI NICS Background Check system.

If this were to be included it should just be hold and the sale not allowed. Gun dealers don't need to be reviewing police reports. Might even be privacy issues there.

 

IMO, all the dealer should see is a green check or a red x when they run the background check. The background check company is the one that should review the information IMO. How to implement something like that, I don't know. But I think it'd have some merits to explore it at the very least.

Before Mental Health can EVER be considered HIPPA laws will have to be changed. Current Federal Law prohibits sharing of Medical Records with anyone not listed by the patient...including the FBI NICS Background Check system.

 

Absolutely. We have to figure something out though IMO. Someone with a history of mental health issues has no place around a gun IMO.

Oh really? How about you tell them how Dicks not selling them would have kept their kids safe?

 

"We are taking strides to make sure guns don't get into the hands of people who have no business having them. While we cannot control other means in which these weapons are acquired, we can control what happens in our stores."

 

That was pretty easy.

Another thing that needs to be done is that everyone that gets denied, should be charged with a Federal Crime. Before a dealer calls the background service they verify the purchaser has answered all questions correctly, which means the purchaser has claimed to have nothing that would prohibit them from purchasing a firearm. If they then fail tha background check then it means that must have lied on the form which in and of itself is a Federal Crime. ATF has prosecuted a handful of these cases over the years...it would be a much bigger deterrent to people lying and trying to buy a firearm if they were prosecuted for lying on the form as they should be.

IMO, all the dealer should see is a green check or a red x when they run the background check. The background check company is the one that should review the information IMO. How to implement something like that, I don't know. But I think it'd have some merits to explore it at the very least.

I think that is all the dealer sees and I don't think there is a background check company. I believe it's an FBI database or something like that. I could be wrong though.

Another thing that needs to be done is that everyone that gets denied, should be charged with a Federal Crime. Before a dealer calls the background service they verify the purchaser has answered all questions correctly, which means the purchaser has claimed to have nothing that would prohibit them from purchasing a firearm. If they then fail tha background check then it means that must have lied on the form which in and of itself is a Federal Crime. ATF has prosecuted a handful of these cases over the years...it would be a much bigger deterrent to people lying and trying to buy a firearm if they were prosecuted for lying on the form as they should be.

 

Works for me.

Before Mental Health can EVER be considered HIPPA laws will have to be changed. Current Federal Law prohibits sharing of Medical Records with anyone not listed by the patient...including the FBI NICS Background Check system.

 

A huge problem we have is the CDC is banned from researching gun violence, so the true mental health aspect is unclear.