In today's NFL are we to the point where the play-caller with the headset talking to the QB is more important than the actual QB?

 

QB still has to make some reads at the line but you see more and more that the design of the plays has QB's set up in a great position. Anyone that has ever played Madden knows it's all about the Play Call...you can win with any QB!

 

Look no further than SuperBowl LII, how many QBs could have done what Foles did? I'd say quite a few could have been plugged in there and had similar results, because Pederson was the driving force in that offense.

I get the argument, but I still think the QB is more important.

You can make all the calls you want but you have to have a QB that can execute the play. That said you can have the best QB in the league and if the plays you are calling are stupid then it doesn't matter.

 

I think there are examples that support both arguments. I don't think you can get it done with only one or the other but I would put more emphasis on having a good QB.

The QB still has to understand, make the right reads, and execute the calls. If you have a guy that can't pull the trigger and make things happen, it doesn't matter how good the play calling is.

Protecting the passer is the most important part for offensive success in the NFL. There are a lot of QB's who can dissect a defense when given time.

Both teams did a good job protecting the QB last night and thus we had the best offensive production in Super Bowl history. The game deciding play was the only sack of the game that resulted in a fumble.

With that said a good play caller can keep defenses and pass rushers off balance with their calls.

Protecting the passer is the most important part for offensive success in the NFL. There are a lot of QB's who can dissect a defense when given time.

Both teams did a good job protecting the QB last night and thus we had the best offensive production in Super Bowl history. The game deciding play was the only sack of the game that resulted in a fumble.

With that said a good play caller can keep defenses and pass rushers off balance with their calls.

 

See looking at sacks doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't pressure. Brady even though was only sacked once, had pressure on him all night. All qbs face pressure, qbs have to still be able to make the throws when there is pressure and people in their face. Brady did that. A certain qb we have here doesnt do well with any pressure around him.

In today's NFL are we to the point where the play-caller with the headset talking to the QB is more important than the actual QB?

 

QB still has to make some reads at the line but you see more and more that the design of the plays has QB's set up in a great position. Anyone that has ever played Madden knows it's all about the Play Call...you can win with any QB!

 

Look no further than SuperBowl LII, how many QBs could have done what Foles did? I'd say quite a few could have been plugged in there and had similar results, because Pederson was the driving force in that offense.

 

No doubt play calling is important. However I still say it's at least in favor of qb being the most important by 60/40. At the end of the day the qb has to make the right right. The qb has to make the throes, the qb has to make the throw while about to get hit. A qb has to move around to buy time to make that throw when he is pressured.

 

You mentioned quite a few could have been plugged in and had similar results. I disagree Do you think someone like Dalton would have? Just look at some of those plays. Some of those deep throws where he didn't leaf the wr out of bounds, but gave him a chance to make a play. Look at the times he was pressured and left the pocket and made a throw. Dalton when he leaves the pocket just throws it away. What about that pass to Clemonts for a td. That pass was thrown in only a place his wr could catch it. The play call didn't make that throw, the qb did. Which I am sorry some of those throws Foles made were throws we never seen a guy like Dalton make. So I do think you discredit Foles a lot when you say a lot of qbs could have done that. He made some big throws in tight windows in the biggest game. Not all qbs can handle that. Even the 4th and one with 6 minutes left. He moved around in the pocket bought time to find a wr to get a first down that led to the winning td. That's not a playcall that's a qb making a play. When there are other qbs who just throw it away on 4th down.

 

Playcalling and scheme help. However at the end of the day the qb has to make the plays in the biggest moments. So 60/40 on favor of the qb.

I think there are certain QBs who are “system QBs” who can look really great in the perfect offense. Guys like Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, etc. Most of the time I believe the success falls on the QB. To be honest I’m not sure where Nick Foles falls in that continuum. What he showed yesterday leads me to believe he isn’t one of those system guys.

I think there are certain QBs who are “system QBs” who can look really great in the perfect offense. Guys like Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, etc. Most of the time I believe the success falls on the QB. To be honest I’m not sure where Nick Foles falls in that continuum. What he showed yesterday leads me to believe he isn’t one of those system guys.

 

He definitely showed he doesn't get rattled in the biggest moments. Jeff Fisher is like the Cleveland Browns. Qbs are doomed with them. So maybe that is why he looked so bad after leaving Philly the 1st time lol

He definitely showed he doesn't get rattled in the biggest moments. Jeff Fisher is like the Cleveland Browns. Qbs are doomed with them. So maybe that is why he looked so bad after leaving Philly the 1st time lol

Fisher’s track record of QBs is horrendous. But Foles didn’t exactly get his feet under him in KC either. So it really makes me question what I watched, but it’s hard for me to watch that game and say that it was simply a system guy out there last night.

I remember watching Peyton Manning calling plays for Curtis Painter...

QB can get you in and out of a good play. A QB can blow a great play call. A QB can make something out of a bad play call.

 

You’re not going to just plug someone in and do what Foles did. The guy felt comfortable and can sling it. Now there are things he is better at. Kelly’s offense and the current offense. They used a lot of things Kelly used with Foles. The guy threw 27 TDs and 2 Ints in his last stint at a Philie. Give the guy some credit.