I like it, Im all for it, but only if you have a QB that can pick a defense apart, lineman that can protect and athletes at WR that can run and catch it.

 

If you have that, then yes, I love it, if you dont, then a team is just "thowing" it, because their certainly won't be any "recieving" going on.

 

 

There are teams across the country running this offense and doing very well with average players. Any offense will be better with better athletes, this one gives the flexibility to distribute the ball easily and be able to do more with the average players that most teams have. Tony's system isn't as much about the X's and O's, everyone knows where most of the plays came from. The "system" is how to implement it, game plan, script, drill, and practice plan. System refers to the way in which the offense is installed and practiced and how to coach the details of each phase while getting as many repititions as possible.

What's really funny is your insinuation that O-Cath was the better team. Yes, O-Cath did have success running the ball that day because the defense was dropping 8 and covering the pass first. Might not have stopped Kamuf, but certainly stopped your team from getting the trophy and the rings ...:fire:

 

 

Yes it did. If Catholic couldn't get a first down I would say you stopped them. Again Russell won and earned it.

Did anyone catch Hal Mumme's New Mexico State team last night? He's definitely having to start from scratch. They are much better than last year. QB threw for over 500 yards. You talk about a system keeping a team in a game. Boise State had a huge advantage program/athlete wise. They pulled away in the end but it was fun to watch. I would have like to have seen him win.

OC seemed to be waiting on hitting some big plays and turning game into a basketball game - so system was working. It never fully happened because as someone said above 8 db's/lb's who could all run and more importantly tackle . OC offense was plenty good enough to win the game .. They should have run it more ... So the scheme will work if you can recognize and change to take advantage of what opponent is giving you...

 

On the other side ... OC lost because of defense ... no fundamentals ... none ...

Belfry beat Tony's system..back to back...E-town in 2003 and O-boro Cath in 2004.

 

Don't get me wrong..that style is very exciting. You're going to score alot of points and win alot of games. But you still got to have a defense...and more times than not...to win championships...you've got to be able to run the football.

 

Neither E-town nor O-boro Cath could effectively run the football...and defensively they couldn't stop Belfry's running game......

 

IMO, you've got to be able to churn out yards via the ground game...especially at the HS level.

The only thing Belfry did was beat the players and team of O Cath. No system won or lost. It all comes down to executing whatever system you run. Don't get me wrong, I love the spread offense, but nothing replaces good ol' execution! :thumb:

You're right, Oklahoma did win the National Champioship w/ this type offense, but think about what you just said...OKLAHOMA, talent out the freakin WAZOOO. With talent, it's great offense and DEADLY, w/out it, you're just beatin a dead horse, but at least you'll make the fans think you know what you're doing. haha

 

Please name an offense that works without talent, because I would like to market it to football coaches. The spread offense, when installed, practiced, and executed properly, actually helps the less than loaded offensive team - much like the wishbone/option schemes of previous decades.

Please name an offense that works without talent, because I would like to market it to football coaches. The spread offense, when installed, practiced, and executed properly, actually helps the less than loaded offensive team - much like the wishbone/option schemes of previous decades.

 

 

First of all, I'll agree with you, that you have to have talent to be successfull at all offenses, but IMO, running the spread offense with little or no talent actual sets you up for little success.

 

There are three things that can happen when you throw the ball.

 

1) Incomplete pass

2)Interception

3) Completion

 

Two out of those three are bad things, one causes a turn over, the other stops the clock..over and over and over and over and over, allowing an opposing team, one that, let's say, runs the wishbone to take over and drive the ball, eating away clock, while at the sametime scoring points.

 

I cant tell you how many times I have watched teams, w/equal talent play, one run the wishbone/option/etc. gains yardage, scores, move the chains...then you have the other who wants to throw it all over the place, run 3 plays, all incomplete passes, and only run 30 seconds off the clock, only to punt the ball back to the other team for them to eat up more clock and score.

 

Im willing to bet you that the teams that run the spread offense that have an excellent QB and talented receivers do a whole lot more of #3 than those teams who try to do the same thing that have a so-so, less than average QB and skill kids. The teams that dont have a QB who can throw it and skill (or lack of) that cant catch it do #1 and #2....and a whole bunch of it.

 

Bottom line is, above everything, you HAVE to have an above average QB to run this offense. If you dont have a kid back there with some touch and who can gun sling it, pin point, when needed, then you dont have a prayer with this offense. FACT.

 

Look at the teams from the past in the state who have suceeded(deep in the playoffs, state championship game, etc.) at the spread offense and look where their QB has gone.

 

Justin Haddix- Breathitt Co.(00-02')..now currently resetting all the record books down at WKU. Four year starter at WKU.

 

Chris Todd- E-town- now the 2nd team QB at Texas Tech as a R-Fr.

 

O'Cath- I can't remember his name, but led O'Cath to consecutive state game appearences the last two years, now at Marshall.

 

These three kids could throw the ball! They weren't "wishing" it out there, like you see a bunch of kids in this offense nowadays doing.

Lexington Catholic has run the spread offense for years now. They have produced several big time QBs, for example, Justin Burke (currently redshirting at NC State) broke all kinds of state records and Jacob Doss (starting QB at Wyoming).

O'Cath went to back to back championship games with 2 different QB's- one very good and one very average. Zach Bernard is at Marshall, David Woodward led them last year.

Lexington Catholic has run the spread offense for years now. They have produced several big time QBs, for example, Justin Burke (currently redshirting at NC State) broke all kinds of state records and Jacob Doss (starting QB at Wyoming).

 

 

I forgot all about them, I knew there were some more that could've been mentioned, those were definately great HS QB's and from what I hear, they are doing good things on the college level!! Isn't Doss starting for Wyoming??!

 

 

Ystick,

O'Caths QB from last year, you say he was average. Was he average in size, speed, weight, strength, what?? He was more than just average in throwing/completing the ball, b/c if he was anything less, O'Cath wouldnt have went as far as they did.

 

I remember a QB in a college system about 10 years back, as a matter of fact, he won the Heisman, but he wasnt the strongest, tallest, fastest, biggest or even most athletic, but what he could do is make great decisions and get the ball to people, Danny Wuhrful(sp??). There wasnt a thing average about him when it came to throwing the ball. Also, I dont want any of you to think that I am using Danny boy as a measuring stick, just stating that he was considered AVERAGE in a # of things, which he might have been, but he was anything, but average, when it came to decision making and making all the throws. I dont think any of his talents were just average, b/c you cant be that and win the Heisman of play in the NFL, but in somes eyes, his overall "skill" in other aspects wasnt great.

First of all, I'll agree with you, that you have to have talent to be successfull at all offenses, but IMO, running the spread offense with little or no talent actual sets you up for little success.

 

There are three things that can happen when you throw the ball.

 

1) Incomplete pass

2)Interception

3) Completion

 

Two out of those three are bad things, one causes a turn over, the other stops the clock..over and over and over and over and over, allowing an opposing team, one that, let's say, runs the wishbone to take over and drive the ball, eating away clock, while at the sametime scoring points.

 

I cant tell you how many times I have watched teams, w/equal talent play, one run the wishbone/option/etc. gains yardage, scores, move the chains...then you have the other who wants to throw it all over the place, run 3 plays, all incomplete passes, and only run 30 seconds off the clock, only to punt the ball back to the other team for them to eat up more clock and score.

 

Im willing to bet you that the teams that run the spread offense that have an excellent QB and talented receivers do a whole lot more of #3 than those teams who try to do the same thing that have a so-so, less than average QB and skill kids. The teams that dont have a QB who can throw it and skill (or lack of) that cant catch it do #1 and #2....and a whole bunch of it.

 

Bottom line is, above everything, you HAVE to have an above average QB to run this offense. If you dont have a kid back there with some touch and who can gun sling it, pin point, when needed, then you dont have a prayer with this offense. FACT.

 

Look at the teams from the past in the state who have suceeded(deep in the playoffs, state championship game, etc.) at the spread offense and look where their QB has gone.

 

Justin Haddix- Breathitt Co.(00-02')..now currently resetting all the record books down at WKU. Four year starter at WKU.

 

Chris Todd- E-town- now the 2nd team QB at Texas Tech as a R-Fr.

 

O'Cath- I can't remember his name, but led O'Cath to consecutive state game appearences the last two years, now at Marshall.

 

These three kids could throw the ball! They weren't "wishing" it out there, like you see a bunch of kids in this offense nowadays doing.

 

 

How many seasons have you run the spread offense versus other offenses?

So who around the state is currently subscribing to the QVC deal of the month, the Tony Franklin Spread Offense? (ie the Entrepeneurial Spirit of Mumme Ball)

 

Which teams are using his spread offense this year? How do you beat it? Is it worth the money?

Just run the ball. It don't cost you anything. And it still wins games. That is what is amazing.

How many seasons have you run the spread offense versus other offenses?

 

 

Having ran the spread, versus not or just from witnessing it being ran is irrelevant. It doesnt take a genious to watch two teams in a game, one haveing somebody like LexCath's former QB Justin Burke play a team w/ a much lesser QB and be able to tell why one team is better looking at the spread than the other.

I agree 100 % teams with better talent running the same offense as a team with lesser talent traditionally look better at it.

I forgot all about them, I knew there were some more that could've been mentioned, those were definately great HS QB's and from what I hear, they are doing good things on the college level!! Isn't Doss starting for Wyoming??!

 

 

Ystick,

O'Caths QB from last year, you say he was average. Was he average in size, speed, weight, strength, what?? He was more than just average in throwing/completing the ball, b/c if he was anything less, O'Cath wouldnt have went as far as they did.

 

I remember a QB in a college system about 10 years back, as a matter of fact, he won the Heisman, but he wasnt the strongest, tallest, fastest, biggest or even most athletic, but what he could do is make great decisions and get the ball to people, Danny Wuhrful(sp??). There wasnt a thing average about him when it came to throwing the ball. Also, I dont want any of you to think that I am using Danny boy as a measuring stick, just stating that he was considered AVERAGE in a # of things, which he might have been, but he was anything, but average, when it came to decision making and making all the throws. I dont think any of his talents were just average, b/c you cant be that and win the Heisman of play in the NFL, but in somes eyes, his overall "skill" in other aspects wasnt great.

 

David was average in size, strength, etc. What he did do was to play as he was coached. That's why he and O'Cath were successful. My point is, the qb in this type of system doesn't have to be superhuman, an average quarterback with average receivers and runningbacks behind an average line can run this offense and be successful.