Somethign I have always wondered... how would a Bob Redman "Confusion" defense fare against a Tony Franklin offense?

 

My personal belief is that if you can maximize your speed at DE and LB so that the screen game (both bubble and HB) and running game are neutralized, the pieces will easily fall into place on how to take a Franklin offense down. The screens and draws are the only form of semblence to any type of ball control, and it also opens up the deeper routes when the corners and LB's re lured into the flats.

 

The best weapon against a Franklin offense though is a typically unprepared defense that can be exploited on the other side of the ball. Most Franklin-style teams run seperate line units and it seems as the majority of the talent is place don the offensive side of the ball.

If you dont have a quarterback that can pick a defense apart, WR's that can not only run, but run the routes efficiently and catch the ball then one might as well be beatin a dead horse, b/c you'll get more out of doing that than you will with trying to run the Tony Franklin system. If you dont have that, then you'll certainly just be "throwing" the ball, b/c therer definately wont be any "receiving" involved.

 

People forget that Franklin has made it look good in college and even at the HS level at places like HOOVER and O'Cath, E-town, but those places have also had the ATHLETES to make that system productive. If you have the people to do it, then I'm all about it, but if you dont, then, well, look like you know what you're doing, literally just THROW (not catch) the ball around, only complete 40% of your passes, let the clock stop over and over and over, let the other team get the ball back, them run it down your throat and let the score get more out of hand than it would if you would have simply just lined up and ran a more conservative, effective offense given the talent of lack of that you have to run that Franklin's offense..instead of trying to look innovative!!!

 

In saying all of this, though, Tony Franklin really is a genious. When it is run properly, meaning when one has all the tools (QB, WR's, O-line, etc.) then it is a beauty to watch, like Hoover for example or O'Cath and E-town of the past couple years..might I add that, ALL of these are schools who have had their starting QB's of years past sign with Alabama, Marshall and Texas Tech.

 

 

Are you saying you like it? Don't like it?

Several posters refer to "beating this system" .I think the more accurate

statement is they outscored it with their own offense,or the losing teams

defense could'nt get the job done!This offense is harder to defend because

it forces defenses to play "soft" or get beat by big plays.It can eat up clock

just like a running game if it is executed properly,and put up more points.

Also,didn,t Lexcath win a title with this offense?The danger of this offense is

wearing out 2 way players if you have no depth.The teams that have the luxury of resting lineman,particularly on defense have been proven to have greater success. It is also beneficial to not have to play linebackers and dbacks both ways all game,rotating in fresh recievers and backs.:thumb:

Also,didn,t Lexcath win a title with this offense?

Lexcath won a title with their defense.

Somethign I have always wondered... how would a Bob Redman "Confusion" defense fare against a Tony Franklin offense?

 

My personal belief is that if you can maximize your speed at DE and LB so that the screen game (both bubble and HB) and running game are neutralized, the pieces will easily fall into place on how to take a Franklin offense down. The screens and draws are the only form of semblence to any type of ball control, and it also opens up the deeper routes when the corners and LB's re lured into the flats.

 

The best weapon against a Franklin offense though is a typically unprepared defense that can be exploited on the other side of the ball. Most Franklin-style teams run seperate line units and it seems as the majority of the talent is place don the offensive side of the ball.

 

To call it the "Franklin System" is to give WAY to much credit to Tony Franklin. Truth is, he is a thief that took the offense from Mumme , who took the offense from Edwards. It is in no way or form Franklin's system. He just had the insight to market it and hook up with another crook "Rush Probst" and saved both of their careers. I know that if you have FAST defensive people, you will destroy the "system" at the high school level.

I know that if you have FAST defensive people, you will destroy the "system" at the high school level.

Now there is something I agree with.

The system can win alot of games that dont matter, but once you come against a fundamentally sound defense that knows what it is doing and gets all 11 helmets to the ball....it is done for. The system might get you to late November but dont look at it to win you any state championships. Just look at Texas Tech... they can put up 60+ plus on bad Big 12 teams, but against a good Oklahoma/Texas/TCU team look at the to put up less than 14 points. I see that as an indictment as to the fact that the system preys on unprepared defenses, but doesnt get you prepared for the big game.

A covery 3 will normally stop this offense! The down fall is it does not go vertical enough! I thought Williamsburg ran this offense but after watching film I don't think that they do! Whitley Co. is another team in the mnts that runs this offense, I think but don't hold me to it.

You are miss informed, because the offense goes vertical often. This offense is good against a cover 3 because of all the underneath crossing routes. This offense can be run against any defense and be successful.

The system can win alot of games that dont matter, but once you come against a fundamentally sound defense that knows what it is doing and gets all 11 helmets to the ball....it is done for. The system might get you to late November but dont look at it to win you any state championships. Just look at Texas Tech... they can put up 60+ plus on bad Big 12 teams, but against a good Oklahoma/Texas/TCU team look at the to put up less than 14 points. I see that as an indictment as to the fact that the system preys on unprepared defenses, but doesnt get you prepared for the big game.

 

I believe Oklahoma ran this offense when they won the National Championship a few years ago. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Leach (Head Coach at Texas Tech) was the OC for that team.

Belfry beat Tony's system..back to back...E-town in 2003 and O-boro Cath in 2004.

 

Don't get me wrong..that style is very exciting. You're going to score alot of points and win alot of games. But you still got to have a defense...and more times than not...to win championships...you've got to be able to run the football.

 

Neither E-town nor O-boro Cath could effectively run the football...and defensively they couldn't stop Belfry's running game......

 

IMO, you've got to be able to churn out yards via the ground game...especially at the HS level.

 

 

That's funny OCath had 173 yards rushing against Russell and the Kamuf kid had 123 with 16 carries. I think their D couldn't stop anybody that day.

To call it the "Franklin System" is to give WAY to much credit to Tony Franklin. Truth is, he is a thief that took the offense from Mumme , who took the offense from Edwards. It is in no way or form Franklin's system. He just had the insight to market it and hook up with another crook "Rush Probst" and saved both of their careers. I know that if you have FAST defensive people, you will destroy the "system" at the high school level.

 

First of all, each of these guys run basically the same offense. Tony's system is his system because he took that added some stuff, took some out, etc., just like each coach. Now, Tony is smart, he saw a need, offered something that met the need, obviously, HUNDREDS of coaches believe in it. I guess each coach could market it themselves showing their tweaks and the same people who bought tony's stuff would buy theirs too. That is how coaches are...looking for one more extra thing. I know that Hatch is doing it, don't know why Leach isn't doing it, and I never understood why Mumme doesn't do it.

 

A couple of other points, FAST defensive people can destroy any offense; and I'm just curious, why would you call Tony and Rush "crooks"? That's some strong stuff...

First of all, each of these guys run basically the same offense. Tony's system is his system because he took that added some stuff, took some out, etc., just like each coach. Now, Tony is smart, he saw a need, offered something that met the need, obviously, HUNDREDS of coaches believe in it. I guess each coach could market it themselves showing their tweaks and the same people who bought tony's stuff would buy theirs too. That is how coaches are...looking for one more extra thing. I know that Hatch is doing it, don't know why Leach isn't doing it, and I never understood why Mumme doesn't do it.

 

A couple of other points, FAST defensive people can destroy any offense; and I'm just curious, why would you call Tony and Rush "crooks"? That's some strong stuff...

 

 

Better call Chuck Klausing a thief he took the wing-t and made it better. I think TOny made this offense better. Got beat by Nebraska, but took Flordia State and GA Tech to the wire. Scored points on two great defenses. Fast people don't matter on defense. YOu got to make plays. Look at Catholic and Ft.Campbell or Trigg. Catholic has slower players and still beat these teams. It seems when Catholic is making plays and the QB is in a rythm they win if not then they have to run the ball and play D.

That's funny OCath had 173 yards rushing against Russell and the Kamuf kid had 123 with 16 carries. I think their D couldn't stop anybody that day.

 

What's really funny is your insinuation that O-Cath was the better team. Yes, O-Cath did have success running the ball that day because the defense was dropping 8 and covering the pass first. Might not have stopped Kamuf, but certainly stopped your team from getting the trophy and the rings ...:fire:

Are you saying you like it? Don't like it?

 

I like it, Im all for it, but only if you have a QB that can pick a defense apart, lineman that can protect and athletes at WR that can run and catch it.

 

If you have that, then yes, I love it, if you dont, then a team is just "thowing" it, because their certainly won't be any "recieving" going on.

I believe Oklahoma ran this offense when they won the National Championship a few years ago. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Leach (Head Coach at Texas Tech) was the OC for that team.

 

 

You're right, Oklahoma did win the National Champioship w/ this type offense, but think about what you just said...OKLAHOMA, talent out the freakin WAZOOO. With talent, it's great offense and DEADLY, w/out it, you're just beatin a dead horse, but at least you'll make the fans think you know what you're doing. haha