Thanks for the input so far.

 

What specific schools that their training is what makes the difference. Not necessarily the school with best atheletes, but achieve success through their training.

What hasn't been noted, and I just thought I'd put my two bits in, has to do with more than just pumping the iron. Weight room and off season conditioning/training teaches discipline and is where a lot of team chemistry is built. Teams with a Personal Best bell, whistle command, accountability teams, matt drills, things of this nature tend to get the most out of their student athletes in the fall as well as in the weight room during the off season.

 

For those of us who aren't weight room gurus, a great start up point that you can often split funds with in an academic area is getting certified in the Bigger Faster Stronger program. It's a great starting point for young coaches with little to no weight room experience or studying.

What hasn't been noted, and I just thought I'd put my two bits in, has to do with more than just pumping the iron. Weight room and off season conditioning/training teaches discipline and is where a lot of team chemistry is built. Teams with a Personal Best bell, whistle command, accountability teams, matt drills, things of this nature tend to get the most out of their student athletes in the fall as well as in the weight room during the off season.

 

For those of us who aren't weight room gurus, a great start up point that you can often split funds with in an academic area is getting certified in the Bigger Faster Stronger program. It's a great starting point for young coaches with little to no weight room experience or studying.

 

Preach

One of the issues with staffing is this: National Certifications through BFS or NHSSCA do not count as a teaching certificate and will not suffice for LEAD Reporting for the state. Therefore, any S&C guy for in-school lifting must also be PE certified. Technically, a football coach from another content area should not be able to teach a weightlifting class.

What I'm trying to find out is if anyone thinks a program is specifically more successful because they have better weight training programs.

 

Like Central Hardin has had a recent rise in success. Is this due to what happens in the off season

What I'm trying to find out is if anyone thinks a program is specifically more successful because they have better weight training programs.

 

Like Central Hardin has had a recent rise in success. Is this due to what happens in the off season

 

Well, what do they do in their off-season?

It has baffled me for many years the fight we have had trying to get our admin & counselors to allow us to schedule a P.E. class that was geared towards athletes led by someone who was looking out for their best interests. The admin team @ my school was oblivious to the fact that it could help the athletic teams.

Ryle HS has a college degreed (WKU) certified trainer as part of their coaching staff. Not sure if he is voluntary or not. I could't tell you. But I can tell you is that they have the absolute worst weight room that I have ever seen. It won't get better for a long time. Heck, classrooms don't even have enough textbooks for students. They have to check one out to do homework and bring it back the next day for some classes, even core classes. Because of the amount of kids and the lack of a sufficient weight room, may finish their workout at local health clubs. My son does that. On top of that he goes to ASAP for speed and agility 2-3 times a week. That I can tell you put him over the edge. He is a big kid, but the speed and agility that Forever talks about was essential, I can honestly say it was the biggest reason that he has earned 1 FBS offer and 1 FCS offer in his Junior year. He went to camps last summer and put together mearsurables along with his dimensions to spark interest. Then the game film for his Junior year. If it weren't for his footwork, speed and strength that he got from ASAP he would be just another player looking to get noticed. It also builds a TON of confidence in the athlete that carries over to the field. That is a HUGE intangible. If you feel you can beat the guy across from you, then that's half the battle. Have the strength, speed and feet to do so helps even more. Can't say enough about ASAP. He preaches athleticism. Cross fit and that other stuff (squats, deadlifts, power cleans) are all Olympic lifts. Are they training to be Olympic lifters or Athletes? Makes complete sense to me.

Ryle HS has a college degreed (WKU) certified trainer as part of their coaching staff. Not sure if he is voluntary or not. I could't tell you. But I can tell you is that they have the absolute worst weight room that I have ever seen. It won't get better for a long time. Heck, classrooms don't even have enough textbooks for students. They have to check one out to do homework and bring it back the next day for some classes, even core classes. Because of the amount of kids and the lack of a sufficient weight room, may finish their workout at local health clubs. My son does that. On top of that he goes to ASAP for speed and agility 2-3 times a week. That I can tell you put him over the edge. He is a big kid, but the speed and agility that Forever talks about was essential, I can honestly say it was the biggest reason that he has earned 1 FBS offer and 1 FCS offer in his Junior year. He went to camps last summer and put together mearsurables along with his dimensions to spark interest. Then the game film for his Junior year. If it weren't for his footwork, speed and strength that he got from ASAP he would be just another player looking to get noticed. It also builds a TON of confidence in the athlete that carries over to the field. That is a HUGE intangible. If you feel you can beat the guy across from you, then that's half the battle. Have the strength, speed and feet to do so helps even more. Can't say enough about ASAP. He preaches athleticism. Cross fit and that other stuff (squats, deadlifts, power cleans) are all Olympic lifts. Are they training to be Olympic lifters or Athletes? Makes complete sense to me.

 

Well said.

Ryle HS has a college degreed (WKU) certified trainer as part of their coaching staff. Not sure if he is voluntary or not. I could't tell you. But I can tell you is that they have the absolute worst weight room that I have ever seen. It won't get better for a long time. Heck, classrooms don't even have enough textbooks for students. They have to check one out to do homework and bring it back the next day for some classes, even core classes. Because of the amount of kids and the lack of a sufficient weight room, may finish their workout at local health clubs. My son does that. On top of that he goes to ASAP for speed and agility 2-3 times a week. That I can tell you put him over the edge. He is a big kid, but the speed and agility that Forever talks about was essential, I can honestly say it was the biggest reason that he has earned 1 FBS offer and 1 FCS offer in his Junior year. He went to camps last summer and put together mearsurables along with his dimensions to spark interest. Then the game film for his Junior year. If it weren't for his footwork, speed and strength that he got from ASAP he would be just another player looking to get noticed. It also builds a TON of confidence in the athlete that carries over to the field. That is a HUGE intangible. If you feel you can beat the guy across from you, then that's half the battle. Have the strength, speed and feet to do so helps even more. Can't say enough about ASAP. He preaches athleticism. Cross fit and that other stuff (squats, deadlifts, power cleans) are all Olympic lifts. Are they training to be Olympic lifters or Athletes? Makes complete sense to me.

 

I've heard great things about ASAP. So it sounds like Ryle really doesn't have an off-season program. In this instance, finding outside training is a great thing. If you can't get it at your school then find it elsewhere.

I've heard great things about ASAP. So it sounds like Ryle really doesn't have an off-season program. In this instance, finding outside training is a great thing. If you can't get it at your school then find it elsewhere.

Ryle has an off season program. Always had and always will.

Ryle has an off season program. Always had and always will.

 

Just going off of what the poster stated.

I know exactly what you are saying. I'm trying to nail you to that saying and then disprove the saying. Point blank as clearly as possible.

 

Any quality training that an athlete gets outside of his school's training will benefit the athlete. The school can only do so much with the time they have and the available personnel. It may not make him "elite" if he isn't an elite athlete to begin with but it will definitely help him improve. Even an elite athlete will be better than he would have been had he not also done the extra work.

 

Student athletes have to have the drive to be better and to succeed in the classroom and on the field. Having a quality program in school and supplementing it outside the school feeds the drive and motivation of a kid who is determined. It makes him better.

 

I hear you about the cost and some athletes can't afford it. That describes my situation. We struggle to provide this for our son. But I can see the dividends when he puts in the extra work. If I can provide it for him, I will. It is definitely beneficial for his improvement and for building self-discipline, and understanding what it takes to achieve his goals. It needs to be "his" goals because if the inner motivation isn't there...

 

You get the idea.

Just going off of what the poster stated.

 

I didn't mean to allude that Ryle didn't have a program. They certainly do. It's just that the weight room is small and under equipped. With the numbers they have, the kids have to finish their workouts elsewhere. They need better equipment and facilities. But Textbooks and school expansions come first, right? : )

Scott County's weight program is top notch. Strength, agility and speed all focused in proper phases. Kids are some of the strongest out there. Trinity does an amazing job with their program as well.