Is he in or out?

 

I don't expect we will hear anything for a time with school out and the holidays. Short answer would be that he is in at least for now. I am told there is at least 1 administrator working to help him clear his name. Since there should be video, one would think it would be cut and dry once it is reviewed one way or the other.

Hope the best for him as he is old school.and a good coach.

Got parents who are afraid to discipline their own kids 911......police.....claims of child abuse...courtroom.....child service visits. How have we allowed discipline to be sucked out of society?

 

This is a really good point. The last thing any family wants is Child Services involved with their child/family.

 

In my opinion, Child/Social Services and the Court System setup to handle these situations is one of the most abusive things that our Government does to its citizens. In short, you are GUILTY until proven innocent.

 

That is not to say that social workers are bad (the opposite is mostly true) but the system - at least in Kentucky - is a dumpster fire.

I don't have a horse in this race and I won't pretend to know the details, but I will say that some 'students' and 'kids' are physically grown men that can pose very serious dangers to their peers if allowed to go unrestrained. If my daughter was in harm's way (just as an example, in no way saying that's what happened here) I would want a teacher to intervene even he had to get 'hands on' to do so.

 

I want to make sure my position is clear on this whole (alleged) incident.

 

I agree with you @BigRedDiesel that I want teachers to intervene, even using force, if the situation calls for it.

 

For anyone that disagrees, go watch some high level high school football or high level high school wrestling and then tell me you disagree. And if you do disagree at that point, you're a lost ball in tall weeds.

I want to make sure my position is clear on this whole (alleged) incident.

 

I agree with you @BigRedDiesel that I want teachers to intervene, even using force, if the situation calls for it.

 

For anyone that disagrees, go watch some high level high school football or high level high school wrestling and then tell me you disagree. And if you do disagree at that point, you're a lost ball in tall weeds.

 

See my Post#57. Happened at Covington Holmes about 5 years ago. Fights can rarely be broken-up without physical contact.

See my Post#57. Happened at Covington Holmes about 5 years ago. Fights can rarely be broken-up without physical contact.

 

I have a lot of experience dealing with fights.

 

The bottom line is some people ONLY understand FORCE.

 

The million dollar question is when does the authority figure "Stop Negotiations" and resort to Force?

 

It takes a lot of training and experience, and for the most part I am pretty sure teacher training is insufficient in this area.

I have a lot of experience dealing with fights.

 

The bottom line is some people ONLY understand FORCE.

 

The million dollar question is when does the authority figure "Stop Negotiations" and resort to Force?

 

It takes a lot of training and experience, and for the most part I am pretty sure teacher training is insufficient in this area.

Teacher training is definitely insufficient, even non-existent in how to use force to break up a fight. However, strong classroom management can go a long way to preventing scenarios where fights tend to occur. That's where common areas like halls and cafeteria become trickier, but also where having school resource officers is important.

This is a really good point. The last thing any family wants is Child Services involved with their child/family.

 

In my opinion, Child/Social Services and the Court System setup to handle these situations is one of the most abusive things that our Government does to its citizens. In short, you are GUILTY until proven innocent.

 

That is not to say that social workers are bad (the opposite is mostly true) but the system - at least in Kentucky - is a dumpster fire.

 

Have to really disagree here. Child Services needs more teeth and better pay. To many kids are left in abusive and negligent situations when they need to be removed and placed in foster/state care.

Have to really disagree here. Child Services needs more teeth and better pay. To many kids are left in abusive and negligent situations when they need to be removed and placed in foster/state care.

 

Maybe we are stating part of the same problem. Maybe if Child Services had more teeth, better pay (thus better people as a whole) then Child Services could handle things on their level instead of always going with the default "You either do what I say or I am moving this case into court and the Judge will put you in jail."

 

I realize my quote is to the extreme but that is the basic message.

 

In other words, I believe the system is negligent and anytime the system is negligent all those involved in the system are candidates for abuse.

Teacher training is definitely insufficient, even non-existent in how to use force to break up a fight. However, strong classroom management can go a long way to preventing scenarios where fights tend to occur. That's where common areas like halls and cafeteria become trickier, but also where having school resource officers is important.

 

I agree 100% on strong classroom management.

 

However, most fights are either deep in progress or over by the time the school resource officer can get there to help.

I agree 100% on strong classroom management.

 

However, most fights are either deep in progress or over by the time the school resource officer can get there to help.

True, but I was looking at them more as a deterrent. In my 20+ years of teaching, the number of fights that have occurred in my schools has decreased. Maybe the increased resource officer presence is a deterrent. I can't say for sure.

 

I would say that there are some instances where a teacher is going to have to physically intervene. In those cases, all you can do is your best and hope that you can prevent injury to yourself and others as much as possible. I don't know a better solution. Do you?

True, but I was looking at them more as a deterrent. In my 20+ years of teaching, the number of fights that have occurred in my schools has decreased. Maybe the increased resource officer presence is a deterrent. I can't say for sure.

 

I would say that there are some instances where a teacher is going to have to physically intervene. In those cases, all you can do is your best and hope that you can prevent injury to yourself and others as much as possible. I don't know a better solution. Do you?

 

You definitely want the school resource officer there and you want a Stud like my Buddy Chris Combs.

 

As to your solution, we are in lockstep. @True blue (and gold)

There hasn't been any movement on this one after a month, so it seems like a good time to close this one. If anything develops down the road, you're welcome to start a new thread about it.

There hasn't been any movement on this one after a month, so it seems like a good time to close this one. If anything develops down the road, you're welcome to start a new thread about it.

 

Well said CWB.

 

Everyone, there were a couple of more posts in this thread today but all those two posts were going to do was fan the flames and we believe we have covered this topic enough unless anything new develops like CWB said.