I am somewhat surprised, but somewhat not, that no charges are recommended.

 

HOWEVER, all of you who are so outraged about the inequality in the way Ms. Clinton is being handled vs. the "Average Joe", I have a question for you. Are you equally outraged at the way "Average Joe who can afford a private attorney" is treated vs. "Average Joe without the means to hire a private attorney"? 'Cause I'm here to tell you, poor people in America are probably less outraged than you. They already knew that a rich person, famous person, a person with the right friends, skin color, "look" have different ways of being handled in our judicial system than they.

 

In the end, I don't think this non-recommendation is going to do much to sway anyone to not vote for her or vice versa.

This became so evident to me in watching the "Making a Murder" series.

I think in this instance, it's less about being sheep and more about 2 extreme candidates, neither of whom is a good option. On either side of the aisle, people are going to be holding their noses and voting against someone, not for anyone.

It's too bad that the republicans didn't nominate someone like Kasich. They'd have won in a landslide.

It's too bad that the republicans didn't nominate someone like Kasich. They'd have won in a landslide.

 

You are probably right.

Jim Comey's Statement on the Clinton Emails: A Quick and Dirty Analysis - Lawfare

 

This is an analysis I found informed, even-keeled, and relatively thorough. Based on my following and understanding of the events his conclusions are right in line with mine and I believe a quick perusal of my post history on this topic would confirm that this isn't a new revelation.

 

Comey's full statement is a peculiar document because it is simultaneously emphatic that Clinton and her staff behaved inappropriately and equally emphatic that no reasonable prosecutor would want to bring a case against them. His reputation for personal probity and apolitical behavior is such that both statements must be taken seriously. The former should be profoundly embarassing to Clinton. The latter should put to rest the notion that she should face charges. If she is to face accountability for her email server, that accountability will and should be in the political realm.

 

If you don't agree or feel that she should be standing trial then I ask that you put up some evidence that would disconfirm Benjamin Wittes' analysis I've excerpted below.

 

And that said, it's very clearly not the sort of thing the Justice Department prosecutes either. For the last several months, people have been asking me what I thought the chances of an indictment were. I have said each time that there is no chance without evidence of bad faith action of some kind. People simply don't get indicted for accidental, non-malicious mishandling of classified material. I have followed leak cases for a very long time, both at the Washington Post and since starting Lawfare. I have never seen a criminal matter proceed without even an allegation of something more than mere mishandling of sensitive information. Hillary Clinton is not above the law, but to indict her on these facts, she'd have to be significantly below the law.

 

To follow the author's premise, can we point to cases where someone has been indicted for mishandling classified information where there was, in Comey's words, no "inten[t] to violate laws governing the handling of classified information"? It would seem to me that if Comey erred or acted unfairly there would be evidence of similar cases among lower-level staffers, or especially political appointees, who were indicted under very similar facts.

 

As I've said before, Clinton's circumvention of transparency with her email server ought to have been politically damning (and if it weren't for her opponent, it very likely would be). But, I've never seen any evidence that this sort of thing would lead to an indictment.

I think in this instance, it's less about being sheep and more about 2 extreme candidates, neither of whom is a good option. On either side of the aisle, people are going to be holding their noses and voting against someone, not for anyone.

 

I pretty much agree with you with a notable exception. The bulk of Trump's support (and much of Sander's as well) is coming from those fed up with establishment politics & "the ruling class" mentality fostered by both parties. A good deal of the Republican establishment is rightfully outraged at Trump's success, as he threatens the "Good Old Boy" network running both sides of the aisle.

 

Certainly agree that neither are outstanding examples of Presidential Candidates. While one who wholeheartedly agrees that Washington is broken, and was hoping the day would come when the electorate had finally had enough; I'd hoped for a better outsider than Trump.

It's too bad that the republicans didn't nominate someone like Kasich. They'd have won in a landslide.

 

He wasn't extreme enough, unfortunately.

I pretty much agree with you with a notable exception. The bulk of Trump's support (and much of Sander's as well) is coming from those fed up with establishment politics & "the ruling class" mentality fostered by both parties. A good deal of the Republican establishment is rightfully outraged at Trump's success, as he threatens the "Good Old Boy" network running both sides of the aisle.

 

Certainly agree that neither are outstanding examples of Presidential Candidates. While one who wholeheartedly agrees that Washington is broken, and was hoping the day would come when the electorate had finally had enough; I'd hoped for a better outsider than Trump.

 

The thing is, Trump isn't an "outsider". And he isn't outside the establishment. And he most certainly has benefitted in the "system" because he is wealthy. Anyone who thinks he knows what a "regular Joe" goes through is off their rocker.

Jim Comey's Statement on the Clinton Emails: A Quick and Dirty Analysis - Lawfare

 

This is an analysis I found informed, even-keeled, and relatively thorough. Based on my following and understanding of the events his conclusions are right in line with mine and I believe a quick perusal of my post history on this topic would confirm that this isn't a new revelation.

 

 

 

If you don't agree or feel that she should be standing trial then I ask that you put up some evidence that would disconfirm Benjamin Wittes' analysis I've excerpted below.

 

 

 

To follow the author's premise, can we point to cases where someone has been indicted for mishandling classified information where there was, in Comey's words, no "inten[t] to violate laws governing the handling of classified information"? It would seem to me that if Comey erred or acted unfairly there would be evidence of similar cases among lower-level staffers, or especially political appointees, who were indicted under very similar facts.

 

As I've said before, Clinton's circumvention of transparency with her email server ought to have been politically damning (and if it weren't for her opponent, it very likely would be). But, I've never seen any evidence that this sort of thing would lead to an indictment.

 

In essence, and this may be overly simplistic, it was bad judgement rather than a crime.

The thing is, Trump isn't an "outsider". And he isn't outside the establishment. And he most certainly has benefitted in the "system" because he is wealthy. Anyone who thinks he knows what a "regular Joe" goes through is off their rocker.

 

Trump has been very politically active for nearly 2 decades.

 

30 years ago the Clintons would have qualified as "outsiders." The problem with outsiders is they eventually turn into the insiders.

The thing is, Trump isn't an "outsider". And he isn't outside the establishment. And he most certainly has benefitted in the "system" because he is wealthy. Anyone who thinks he knows what a "regular Joe" goes through is off their rocker.

 

Only meant "outsider" in the political sense--And if you've listened to him, he obviously doesn't speak with a political filter.

Trump has been very politically active for nearly 2 decades.

 

30 years ago the Clintons would have qualified as "outsiders." The problem with outsiders is they eventually turn into the insiders.

 

Two words--TERM LIMITS

In essence, and this may be overly simplistic, it was bad judgement rather than a crime.

 

Not sure "Bad Judgement" accounts for the private servers or tens of thousands of deleted e-mails, which give the appearance of hiding something? If I'm not mistaken Comey alluded to the fact most if not all the "classified" e-mails found were in those "deleted" but recovered bits of information that the FBI pieced back together?

 

Either way I'd prefer a President with "Good Judgement" that wasn't a criminal.

Not sure "Bad Judgement" accounts for the private servers or tens of thousands of deleted e-mails, which give the appearance of hiding something? If I'm not mistaken Comey alluded to the fact most if not all the "classified" e-mails found were in those "deleted" but recovered bits of information that the FBI pieced back together?

Either way I'd prefer a President with "Good Judgement" that wasn't a criminal.

 

We're both gonna have to wait a while.

I have no clue how anyone thought this would turn out differently. If you have watched the last 30 years, this is normal.

 

I refuse to let these things bother me. Totally out of my control. This has been America for a long long time. Probably since the beginning

He wasn't extreme enough, unfortunately.

 

That wasn't his problem, at least not for me. His balancing the budget on the backs of Ohio teachers and public servants put me off.

 

Plus his blatant lying to a crowd about how poorly he'd been treated when he was stopped by a Ohio Police Officer, showed me his true character. The police chief later released the video showing that he was treated professionally, but Kasich played it up that the policeman was on a power trip and treated him like a buffoon. He had no idea that video would come out...Character is doing what's right when no one is watching, he failed this with me...luckily the dash cam was watching.