You know the answer to both. When you play golf, you understand a wayward shot can happen and although "fore" would be helpful, it is not required. Of course you play it where it lies.:wave:

 

Just as a parent you should know not to dangle your kid/place your kid/let your kid play around gator infested waters.

Really? That's the direction this is gonna go? Defining what is and isn't considered swimming. :ohbrother:

 

Court of law? You better dang believe it if it goes that far.

I agree whole heartedly with that statement. HOWEVER, if I waded out into water, lets say just below my knees, to cool my feet/legs off, guess what...I'm not swimming. And my understanding is, now it's being said this family wasn't even in the water, but was close to it on the beach, so evidently they WERE obeying the posted sign and not only were not swimming, but weren't even in the water.

 

As I posted before, because were so PC now, they couldnt put up the sign that said, "Stay the blank out of the water!"

I think the difference between this body of water and a local pond in Florida is that it is in the Middle of a huge Disney complex and I think people have a different expectation of safety in the middle of Disneyworld than they do out in public spaces along public water ways.

 

I could honestly see some people seeing alligator eyes in the water and thinking they are part of the "Park Experience" as surely Disney wouldn't have live Alligators this close to the guest without some sort of barrier.

 

As for everyone saying a sign was enough...where was the sign saying stay off the beach after the family was chased by an alligator on the beach a few months ago?

 

Some have blamed the parents, asking what were they doing? It sounds as if the dad was either holding the boys hand or with arms reach as he was able to grab the boy before the alligator pulled him under...so at worst the dad may have been a foot or so away and was watching his son closely enough he was able to grab him.

Court of law? You better dang believe it if it goes that far.

 

So in your opinion, at what point (depth) do you think constitutes swimming?

If there was a picture of an alligator, people would still fault Disney. Fact. Probably the same people that are doing it now.

 

To the bolded, that is the exact same thing as a No Swimming sign.

 

If you go to Florida and don't know about alligators (either prior or very soon after you arrive), you just aren't paying attention. It is virtually impossible to go to Florida and not be alerted to the presence of alligators.

 

Well, it would mean a world of difference to me. If there were some signage that said "Danger, Alligators present, do not approach" or some such language, posted along the beach...guess what? NOW you are informed and taking your safety into your own hands, and my opinion would be 180 degrees from where it is now.

 

But, my opinion is, and this is just my opinion, those "Danger, gator" signs aren't there because Disney doesn't want their guests at the resort to be fearful, so they put a very disingenuous sign by the water to hopefully dissuade their guests from going there...all the while lining the beach with hammocks and chairs to ATTRACT guests to go there. Disney is going to pay if the family does sue...and pay big.

Some have blamed the parents, asking what were they doing? It sounds as if the dad was either holding the boys hand or with arms reach as he was able to grab the boy before the alligator pulled him under...so at worst the dad may have been a foot or so away and was watching his son closely enough he was able to grab him.

 

I'm not blaming the parents. It's just not Disney's fault.

So in your opinion, at what point (depth) do you think constitutes swimming?

 

That magical "depth" would probably be different for everyone and would be a point of contention in a court room. As for me, at 6'5 and 300 pounds, I would not be able to physically swim in water that was below my knees.

I agree whole heartedly with that statement. HOWEVER, if I waded out into water, lets say just below my knees, to cool my feet/legs off, guess what...I'm not swimming. And my understanding is, now it's being said this family wasn't even in the water, but was close to it on the beach, so evidently they WERE obeying the posted sign and not only were not swimming, but weren't even in the water.

 

Where are you seeing this? Everything I have seen says the boy was wading out into the water.

I'm not blaming the parents. It's just not Disney's fault.

 

I lean towards this also.

 

I do think that in light of other alligator encounters Disney probably should have been clearer about the warning. If the sign say "No Swimming" and the gator grabs the boy a foot from the water, which could have just as easily been the case here...I think we'd be asking how come Disney has a beach for kids to play on with alligators present.

 

I think/hope this leads to Disney putting barriers in place to keep guest safe.

Also, from CNN,

 

"His father jumped in and tried to pry the gator's mouth open. His mother jumped in, too."

 

-This, to me, sounds like neither the boys father nor mother were with him at the time, hence having to "jump in." Could be reading into that a little to much though.

Where are you seeing this? Everything I have seen says the boy was wading out into the water.

 

Was hearing reports of this last night, though admittedly have not been reading on it today.

Not the best analogy I've ever seen, primarily because construction crews are mandated to construct road blocks in front of a down bridge to prevent drivers from mistakenly driving over them, and as you say, plummet to their death.

 

However, If I was dumb enough to drive through/ around the road blocks, and subsequently plummeted to my death, then I don't see how anyone other than myself could possibly be held responsible.

 

Actually it's a pretty good analogy if you stop to think about it for a second...the signage comparison is spot on (disingenuous/confusing). As for the barricade missing on the bridge, well there are no barricades separating visitors from the gators in this event either, like you would find at a zoo or a gator show, so in my scenario with the bridge they aren't there either...I mean, you should have known the bridge was out by the signage to start with, why should I have erected a barricade too?:idunno::lol2: I think you can probably see where I was going with that now.

I don't see anything confusing with signs that say "No Swimming". Just me?

Actually it's a pretty good analogy if you stop to think about it for a second...the signage comparison is spot on (disingenuous/confusing). As for the barricade missing on the bridge, well there are no barricades separating visitors from the gators in this event either, like you would find at a zoo or a gator show, so in my scenario with the bridge they aren't there either...I mean, you should have known the bridge was out by the signage to start with, why should I have erected a barricade too?:idunno::lol2: I think you can probably see where I was going with that now.

 

The main difference between your hypothetical road and Florida is that Florida is known for alligators. Is your road or area known for roads dropping off the face of mountains?