May 31, 201610 yr So basically you're saying a bottle of Flintstone vitamins has better safety measures than this gorilla exhibit. I guess if I was going to boil down what I am saying, I would say that if anyone in this situation is guilty of negligence, it is the parents. The Zoo did what was asked of them, and passed frequent inspections. Whether I think the inspection standards are too lax is irrelevant to this event. The zoo was in compliance with what is currently on the books. I really don't know why there is confusion or disagreement on this. The zoo was found to have adequate safety features. Will this event influence a change in the safety standards for zoos? Probably, but that has no effect on what happened over the weekend.
May 31, 201610 yr Author If you think that the standards for Zoo security are to lax, maybe you should petition to be on the board that determines where the standards are set. That's your response? The zoo has discovered that their safety measures are not up to snuff. A 4 yr old easily got into the pit. I'm not even sure how there is an argument the zoo isn't culpable. The results prove it unless we find that the parents threw the child over the wall.
May 31, 201610 yr That's your response? The zoo has discovered that their safety measures are not up to snuff. A 4 yr old easily got into the pit. I'm not even sure how there is an argument the zoo isn't culpable. The results prove it unless we find that the parents threw the child over the wall. Again, every zoo has someone telling them whether or not they are up to code. If there is an issue with what's deemed "up to code," the problem lies with THAT group, not the zoo. Just as you don't see the argument for why the zoo isn't at fault, I can't see how it's not the parents fault. 40 years and millions of visitors and this is the first incident. Apparently something was working all that time.
May 31, 201610 yr That's your response? The zoo has discovered that their safety measures are not up to snuff. A 4 yr old easily got into the pit. I'm not even sure how there is an argument the zoo isn't culpable. The results prove it unless we find that the parents threw the child over the wall. :ohbrother: You do agree that the parent is a fault, right?
May 31, 201610 yr So a 3 year saying they are going into a gorilla exhibit makes it 100% on the parents if it actually happens? First who the hell would think that was really an option. I've been to this zoo and at no point did I think it was even possible for a 3 year old to get in there. It's not like this was a member of Seal Team 6. It was a 3 year old. Yes, it's 100% on the parents. If the child is saying they're going to do it, you don't let the kid out of your sight, or even more specifically, out of your grasp. I'm shocked so many people are trying to place blame on the zoo. They did nothing wrong. The ones who caused this incident were the child and his parents. Why they're being absolved of all blame is beyond me.
May 31, 201610 yr Yes, it's 100% on the parents. If the child is saying they're going to do it, you don't let the kid out of your sight, or even more specifically, out of your grasp. I'm shocked so many people are trying to place blame on the zoo. They did nothing wrong. The ones who caused this incident were the child and his parents. Why they're being absolved of all blame is beyond me. It's always someone else's fault.....
May 31, 201610 yr Author Again, every zoo has someone telling them whether or not they are up to code. If there is an issue with what's deemed "up to code," the problem lies with THAT group, not the zoo. Just as you don't see the argument for why the zoo isn't at fault, I can't see how it's not the parents fault. 40 years and millions of visitors and this is the first incident. Apparently something was working all that time. The inspectors may have culpability as well. Zoo has culpability. They are ultimately responsible. They can't throw their hands up and say "we had it inspected." That's now how it works in court.
May 31, 201610 yr Author Yes, it's 100% on the parents. If the child is saying they're going to do it, you don't let the kid out of your sight, or even more specifically, out of your grasp. I'm shocked so many people are trying to place blame on the zoo. They did nothing wrong. The ones who caused this incident were the child and his parents. Why they're being absolved of all blame is beyond me. Key word in your second sentence: If Others have reported a different story. Not sure why we are all jumping on one story when there are conflicting stories. No one is being absolved because despite what we read on here no one knows what actually happened. It's likely the parents, the zoo, the inspectors, etc all share in the blame.
May 31, 201610 yr Key word in your second sentence: If Others have reported a different story. Not sure why we are all jumping on one story when there are conflicting stories. No one is being absolved because despite what we read on here no one knows what actually happened. It's likely the parents, the zoo, the inspectors, etc all share in the blame. What is the other story?
May 31, 201610 yr There is plenty of blame to be thrown around here. The whole situation is sad. The Zoo - between a rock and a hard place - they were within "code" but obviously had a "gap" that could allow someone to get in the enclosure. They have to balance keeping the animals in, people out and present a nice experience for the visitors. If they make the pen/cage/enclosure impenetrable, then the experience is cheapened and the visitors are less likely to come back. The Parent - in today's day and age, you must keep an eye on your child at all costs, it is difficult when dealing with multiple kids - she obviously didn't take his comments as seriously as she should have - she was distracted long enough for him to have climbed over obstacles, if she was distracted that long, what would the discussion be today if he was abducted by a human predator The public - are you telling me that no one saw this kid going in to the enclosure? Did someone really sit there and watch this happen? Why wouldn't you have grabbed him? So now you have a group that wants the Zoo fined and held accountable for the death of an endangered animal. Poppycock! I agree with someone who posted the "if this were an adult" theory. They need to press charges for criminal trespassing. The Zoo has to protect themselves from the lawsuits(multiple) that are coming. The mother's going to sue and state the Zoo is responsible for this because they didn't have enough protection to prevent this from happening. I'm guess a bystander will sue for being traumatized by the incident because the Zoo didn't have enough protection to prevent this from happening. The Watchdog group is already calling for fines. If anyone sues, I hope they all lose. I'm on the fence on Zoo's. They're a great place for kids to go see up close and learn about animals. But I also agree that to some degree it's animal cruelty keeping them penned up in cages much smaller than their original habitats.
May 31, 201610 yr Someone did the crying Jordan to him. I couldn't post it. Text it to me if you still have it.
May 31, 201610 yr City prosecutor looking into filing charges. My guess is nothing will come from it. Prosecutor: Police are investigating incident at Cincinnati Zoo | WKRC Joe Deters statement: Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters released a statement on May 31. The incident at the Cincinnati Zoo involving the young child who fell into the gorilla enclosure is under investigation by the Cincinnati Police Department. Once their investigation is concluded, they will confer with our office on possible criminal charges. When the investigation and investigation and review are complete, we will update the media.
May 31, 201610 yr The gorilla is dead, the kid is alive, the wondering kid found the one way in while mom wasn't paying attention. Move on with your lives.
May 31, 201610 yr A 4 yr old kid, without aid of an adult, easily and quickly found his way to the bottom of the gorilla pit. Example #1 of culpability. Just because it hasn't happened before does not remove the culpability. Going to make the same point. And who knows how many times something similar "almost happened" but didn't? None of us know that answer. In my mind, no way a 4yo kid should be able to stumble into that pit. A grown 25 yo man who for whatever reason really WANTS to get into the enclosure? That's another story. But a 4yo shouldn't be able to do it. As for the parents, I don't know how neglectful they may or may not be. As someone who now deals with 3 granddaughters, 2, 2 1/2 and 3 years old, respectively, I know how quickly they can get away from you and get in situations that could be harmful. It only takes a couple of seconds sometimes. Even the most diligent parent can find themselves in that situation. Edited May 31, 201610 yr by BigVMan23
May 31, 201610 yr Oh, they had inspections? Come on. If you honestly think these enclosures aren't inspected then you must really blind. On that note I'm done here
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