March 31, 201610 yr I don't agree. The best you can say is that you feel she over-reacted. How can you adjudicate whether she "almost" fell or not? That's awfully subjective. Same thing for how hard he gripped her arm. And what about the other reporters who were there and agreed with her account? This is a transcript of her conversation with another reporter immediately after it happened that got caught on someone's video. It 1) shows she's been quite consistent with her explanation and 2) the other reporter affirms her account. Fields is the female. Terris is another reporter. Terris: “You OK?" Fields: “Holy sh*t." Terris: “Yea he just threw you." Fields: “I can’t believe he just did that that was so hard. Was that Corey?" Terris: “Yeah, like, what threat were you?" Fields: "That was insane. You should have felt how hard he grabbed me. That's insane. I’ve never had anyone do that to me from a campaign." Terris: “Can I put that in my story?" Fields: “Yeah, go for it — that was really awful. That’s so unprofessional.” Terris: “He really just almost threw you on the ground." Fields: “He literally went like this and was grabbing me down. "I don’t even want to do what he just did to me. Oh my God, that really spooked me that someone would do that." Terris: “What threat were you?" Fields: “Nothing. I was asking about affirmative action." Terris: “And he probably knows you, right?" Fields: “Yeah, I don’t understand. That looks horrible. You’re going after a Breitbart reporter, the people who are nicest to you?" Terris: “I know, I’m going to put it in my story." I'm surprised you all are so readily dismissive of her based on a crummy security tape (which happens to show that Lewandowski lied about what happened). Of course, I have no idea if this levels up to an assault charge and no one has said she was given a double-leg takedown followed by an elbow to the head, but it certainly seems to me this was in excessively aggressive on his part. And if he was gripping her arm so hard just exactly how was she going to fall?
March 31, 201610 yr I'm actually surprised by your position, and I can't help but wonder if your conclusion that this isn't a criminal assault is clouding your judgment. I really don't see what she lied about. She was grabbed by somebody from behind and retained her balance. That's the extent of what I've read she said. Surely when someone grabs you from behind and pulls you backwards, the thought might occur that you could have fallen. Secondly, from the video, I don't see any possible way this could have been construed as a security concern. The was a roped off area, a woman the manager knows showing no potential threat, and she writes for his biggest champion. Between the element of surprise, the relationships they shared, the bruises, and the lack of opportunity for Fields to see the video prior to commenting, I struggle to even claim that she embellished anything. This compared to the outright lies from members of the Trump camp including the candidate himself. Not addressed to you specifically G Man, but I have Hillary placed only marginally above Trump and Cruz in my power rankings. In the grand scheme of things though, this episode falls fairly low on the list of offensive actions relating to the candidate, but I am genuinely surprised at the lengths some will go to excuse Trump, then in the next breath express incredulity that someone could rationalize anything Clinton does. I challenge you to watch that video a couple of more times and you tell me with a straight face (straight typing face I guess) where Fields was: 1. Yanked down 2. Almost fell to the ground 3. Any attempt was made to forcefully throw her to the ground ====================== Remember, he gripped her arm so hard? If he gripped her arm hard she wasn't going down. If anything she appeared to come up slightly onto her toes.
March 31, 201610 yr I'm actually surprised by your position, and I can't help but wonder if your conclusion that this isn't a criminal assault is clouding your judgment. I really don't see what she lied about. She was grabbed by somebody from behind and retained her balance. That's the extent of what I've read she said. Surely when someone grabs you from behind and pulls you backwards, the thought might occur that you could have fallen. Secondly, from the video, I don't see any possible way this could have been construed as a security concern. The was a roped off area, a woman the manager knows showing no potential threat, and she writes for his biggest champion. Between the element of surprise, the relationships they shared, the bruises, and the lack of opportunity for Fields to see the video prior to commenting, I struggle to even claim that she embellished anything. This compared to the outright lies from members of the Trump camp including the candidate himself. Not addressed to you specifically G Man, but I have Hillary placed only marginally above Trump and Cruz in my power rankings. In the grand scheme of things though, this episode falls fairly low on the list of offensive actions relating to the candidate, but I am genuinely surprised at the lengths some will go to excuse Trump, then in the next breath express incredulity that someone could rationalize anything Clinton does. I know I am going to get some boos from the membership over this one but I am pretty much okay with either Clinton or Trump. Bernie no way, and maybe on Cruz but he needs to leave his Bible in Texas if he gets the job.
March 31, 201610 yr She's been forced to evacuate her apartment due to threats she's been receiving after Fox and Buzzfeed posted her address online...
March 31, 201610 yr So Terris, a male Washington Post reporter is sucking up to a very hot Michelle Fields and you are choosing that "evidence" over the video? Really? :lol2: At some point the evidence starts to outweigh the rationalizations. What about the bruises on the arm? Oh, some women bruise easy! What about the other reporters who saw it? Oh, they're trying to flirt with her! What about the video that confirms her account? Oh, she's a sissy it didn't look that bad! You all sound like the Chappelle's Show episode where he's on jury selection for the R. Kelly trial. "For all I know that pee was digital!" :lol2: And if he was gripping her arm so hard just exactly how was she going to fall? Come on, you can't tell me you're not being obtuse here for effect. If you wanted to sling someone down by the arm they wouldn't fall because you were holding them too tight? You wouldn't, like, let go?
March 31, 201610 yr She's been forced to evacuate her apartment due to threats she's been receiving after Fox and Buzzfeed posted her address online... That is a real shame. She better hope Trump doesn't win the election, I doubt there is any statute of limitations on disregarding direct orders from the Secret Service and then violating them.
March 31, 201610 yr Really? :lol2: At some point the evidence starts to outweigh the rationalizations. What about the bruises on the arm? Oh, some women bruise easy! What about the other reporters who saw it? Oh, they're trying to flirt with her! What about the video that confirms her account? Oh, she's a sissy it didn't look that bad! You all sound like the Chappelle's Show episode where he's on jury selection for the R. Kelly trial. "For all I know that pee was digital!" :lol2: Come on, you can't tell me you're not being obtuse here for effect. If you wanted to sling someone down by the arm they wouldn't fall because you were holding them too tight? You wouldn't, like, let go? Except that the video does not confirm her account. It confirms both of the involved parties lied and that she got too close to a Presidential candidate after allegedly being told not to buy the US Secret service. It also confirms this incident was blown out of proportion.
March 31, 201610 yr Really? :lol2: At some point the evidence starts to outweigh the rationalizations. What about the bruises on the arm? Oh, some women bruise easy! What about the other reporters who saw it? Oh, they're trying to flirt with her! What about the video that confirms her account? Oh, she's a sissy it didn't look that bad! You all sound like the Chappelle's Show episode where he's on jury selection for the R. Kelly trial. "For all I know that pee was digital!" :lol2: Come on, you can't tell me you're not being obtuse here for effect. If you wanted to sling someone down by the arm they wouldn't fall because you were holding them too tight? You wouldn't, like, let go? LANGUAGE WARNING [video=youtube;WoLoHP-WRg4]
March 31, 201610 yr Best part is when they asked him a question about letting his kids sleep in the bed with Michael Jackson.
March 31, 201610 yr I agree. It's sad times that we have so many defending a man forcefully putting his hands on a woman in a professional setting. Trump Campaign Manager Grabs Reporter - Video - NYTimes.com Care to comment about all the force. Very hard to spin when there is video. Forcefully, Wow. Watch and tell us all about "forcefully". Now for what "forcefully" assaulted really is: First is a feeble attempt at a frame, Second is what is needed sometimes, for both sides.( not women but others who feel the need to disrupt when they should have stayed at home and minded their own business). Thats whats wrong with America. We should all, including myself, learn to mind our own business instead of thinking we are "owed" something. America is a crazy place right now and getting crazier.
March 31, 201610 yr Good to see my man @Habib owning this thread. Actually he is getting crushed...and rightfully so. If what the manager did to her is battery, then her grabbing Trump's arm is battery...this is a total nothing burger.
March 31, 201610 yr By the way, I believe Corey L. may be a total jerk based on other stuff in the campaign but to say this is anywhere near the vicinity of battery is ridiculous. She was not manhandled at all. Look at the video closely. She does not change her facial expression at all and kept walking forward. She basically got her feelings hurt and is acting like a baby IMO. It does not excuse Corey L's reaction but for him to have to go to court over this is a joke. Women get jostled more at Black Friday sales in every store every year...
March 31, 201610 yr I agree. It's sad times that we have so many defending a man forcefully putting his hands on a woman in a professional setting. If you call this a man "forcefully putting his hands on a woman", you have no idea what that statement means. Talk to the other Fire, EMS, LEO, nurses and doctors on this site. Ask them what a woman that has truly been assaulted by a man looks like. It's deplorable. To compare what happened here to a woman truly having a man "forcefully putting his hands on a woman" is absurd. I hate when a man abuses a woman. Makes my blood boil. This incident isn't even in the ball park.
March 31, 201610 yr If you call this a man "forcefully putting his hands on a woman", you have no idea what that statement means. Talk to the other Fire, EMS, LEO, nurses and doctors on this site. Ask them what a woman that has truly been assaulted by a man looks like. It's deplorable. To compare what happened here to a woman truly having a man "forcefully putting his hands on a woman" is absurd. I hate when a man abuses a woman. Makes my blood boil. This incident isn't even in the ball park. You know what makes my blood boil? The insinuation that a woman is only abused if she is beaten up enough to have something to show for it. We are inundated with stories and statistics over women being reluctant to report domestic abuse or sexual assault and we wonder why. Well, the above (and a good chunk of this thread) is your answer.
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