Its been going on all year.

 

Are you close to the Newport program? If so, then please tell us all what you know that has been going on all year. I'm sure we'd all like to know.

Are you close to the Newport program? If so, then please tell us all what you know that has been going on all year. I'm sure we'd all like to know.

 

Not close, just know a player or two may not have dressed for all games.

Maybe you should read this thread in which you posted?

 

http://bluegrasspreps.com/ky-boys-basketball/george-rogers-clark-319829.html

Not close, just know a player or two may not have dressed for all games.

Maybe you should read this thread in which you posted?

 

http://bluegrasspreps.com/ky-boys-basketball/george-rogers-clark-319829.html

 

He is a knowitall now TAC.....

Not close, just know a player or two may not have dressed for all games.

Maybe you should read this thread in which you posted?

 

http://bluegrasspreps.com/ky-boys-basketball/george-rogers-clark-319829.html

 

I know they had an issue in Ashland.... and then last week.... So explain to me how that has been all season?

I know they had an issue in Ashland.... and then last week.... So explain to me how that has been all season?

 

I've thought about this statement from you above for a bit and I am probably in the minority but I don't agree. Sure its tough, but no tougher than other public schools. You set rules and paramaters of how you want your program run. If there is a mess then it is because you like it that way and put up with it.

 

I have to completely disagree with you here. All schools have their own challenges, but some schools do prevent much harder challenges than others. Most people who usually think this, are ones who actually haven't coached at or been at a school to see those challenges first hand. It doesn't mean those challenges can't be handled, and I think Newport has done a good job getting coaches who can. However some schools definitely have bigger challenges than others.

 

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So Dixie, Simon Kenton, Lloyd, Beechwood, etc are all just as difficult as Newport? I don't buy it and neither do you.

 

Exactly! Every school has its own challenges, but some schools definitely have bigger challenges to deal with than others.

So Dixie, Simon Kenton, Lloyd, Beechwood, etc are all just as difficult as Newport? I don't buy it and neither do you.

 

I agree with you. Newport is a unique city and the school system faces challenges many do not understand. I grew up in another 9th Region city and we played Newport every year, and even 42-43 years ago there were challenges for the Wildcat coaches. I knew Bob Vanderpool and Jack Patterson back in the day, and they put together a program that was one of the 9th Region's best for a period of time.

 

It sounds like the current coach has had to deal with a number of things this season. Unless things have really changed up there, Newport is much more difficult to maintain a program than Beechwood, Dixie or Lloyd. Simon Kenton is now in our region and I have never heard of any big problems from their staff or administration. Newport is a different situation, and people need to know it is a difficult job.

This is not a new situation...someone just finally said enough, been going on all year. Anyone familiar with any of this that didn't see this coming....keep looking down that tunnel

 

It was new for me as I do not have a chance to keep up with Newport on a daily basis. I would read the recent comments about "Wiggins" and thought it was just a joke, but it appears it was connected to one of the players who have caused some of the said problems this season.

There is no question that there are issues at every school to deal with, but the depth of those said issues is where the difference lies IMO. Many of these problems are simply a direct result of how these kids have grown up and there total lack of respect for adults and for that matter some of their school/teammates. The problem is that those kids that have some sort of athletic talent seem to get one chance after another after another. The question is when does it stop? Go watch some of these schools at the middle school level and you will see some of the problems starting to present themselves and that is when they need to be squashed out. Many times what happens is the kid switches schools under the guise that he/she was treated poorly at their prior school/s and the vicious cycle then repeats itself often with the same result.

 

Back in the day, there was always a parent and/or grandparent that made sure that these kids stayed in line because it was important for them to get an education and if basketball or some other sport could help them get out of the "neighborhood" then that is even better. Many of the guys that I played youth basketball with were from these very "neighborhoods" and I can tell you that they always respected the adults that they interacted with and were very appreciative of the opportunities that sports allowed them to have. Just not the case these days as many of these kids feel the world owes them something.

There is no question that there are issues at every school to deal with, but the depth of those said issues is where the difference lies IMO. Many of these problems are simply a direct result of how these kids have grown up and there total lack of respect for adults and for that matter some of their school/teammates. The problem is that those kids that have some sort of athletic talent seem to get one chance after another after another. The question is when does it stop? Go watch some of these schools at the middle school level and you will see some of the problems starting to present themselves and that is when they need to be squashed out. Many times what happens is the kid switches schools under the guise that he/she was treated poorly at their prior school/s and the vicious cycle then repeats itself often with the same result.

 

Back in the day, there was always a parent and/or grandparent that made sure that these kids stayed in line because it was important for them to get an education and if basketball or some other sport could help them get out of the "neighborhood" then that is even better. Many of the guys that I played youth basketball with were from these very "neighborhoods" and I can tell you that they always respected the adults that they interacted with and were very appreciative of the opportunities that sports allowed them to have. Just not the case these days as many of these kids feel the world owes them something.

 

I agree with virtually all you said. I have noticed some feel entitled and do not appreciate the opportunity given them in sports.

 

I am assuming that the particular player at Newport was given lots of chances, maybe too many. I do not know the circumstances other than re-reading over the threads from two months ago. It appears he was a transfer from another school in the 9th Region and given lots of chances which he promptly cast aside. Unfortunate.

 

But I will also defend schools in the predicaments that a Newport finds itself with fielding sports these days. I am sure the coach wanted to do the right thing to help the kid as well as keep his team in contention for a regional run. That is a slippery slope and I do not envy that task for any coach. Tough situation that apparently has ended very sadly. It is not funny at all.

I agree with you. Newport is a unique city and the school system faces challenges many do not understand. I grew up in another 9th Region city and we played Newport every year, and even 42-43 years ago there were challenges for the Wildcat coaches. I knew Bob Vanderpool and Jack Patterson back in the day, and they put together a program that was one of the 9th Region's best for a period of time.

 

It sounds like the current coach has had to deal with a number of things this season. Unless things have really changed up there, Newport is much more difficult to maintain a program than Beechwood, Dixie or Lloyd. Simon Kenton is now in our region and I have never heard of any big problems from their staff or administration. Newport is a different situation, and people need to know it is a difficult job.

 

I would agree the job is a very hard job. I'd say it compares closer to Dayton, Bellevue, Ludlow where the numbers of kids to pick from are far less.

I would agree the job is a very hard job. I'd say it compares closer to Dayton, Bellevue, Ludlow where the numbers of kids to pick from are far less.

 

Very good comparison to Newport's dilemma. Newport's population has also dramatically decreased over the years, to a point where what was once a large school in the 1970s has shrunk to almost an A enrollment today. Newport enjoyed a great basketball tradition under Stan Arnzen and later Bob Vanderpool when the high school was located in the west end of the city. Years later they built a nice school in the east end of Newport, but from what I have been told for years, that led many of the kids from the west end of Newport going to Holmes because Holmes was just as close as the new school in the east end. That makes a two-prong problem for Newport it appears, if you are losing kids to another school due to the location.

I agree with virtually all you said. I have noticed some feel entitled and do not appreciate the opportunity given them in sports.

 

I am assuming that the particular player at Newport was given lots of chances, maybe too many. I do not know the circumstances other than re-reading over the threads from two months ago. It appears he was a transfer from another school in the 9th Region and given lots of chances which he promptly cast aside. Unfortunate.

 

But I will also defend schools in the predicaments that a Newport finds itself with fielding sports these days. I am sure the coach wanted to do the right thing to help the kid as well as keep his team in contention for a regional run. That is a slippery slope and I do not envy that task for any coach. Tough situation that apparently has ended very sadly. It is not funny at all.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with the entire post and would like to add a small something (with hopes I don't offend). It's clear that coaches often view their team as a family, though the term family obviously means different things to different people. With that in mind, I think some coaches -- often inadvertently and with all good intentions -- devote a lot of attention to kids struggling with obvious disadvantages while maybe devoting a bit less attention to kids whom they assume will "be okay" based on the relative stability of their situations. I'm not saying it's good or bad, just offering an observation based on three schools' worth of involvement.