I've seen Scott a few times. I don't think they're disciplined enough to win the big games in the 10th.

 

your opinon is wrong, sorry, you must have not seen them play enough this year...

This is where rule change would be needed. One ref calls block, so AndOne is invoked. 2nd ref calls charge, rule change in case of blarge would not wave off bucket and foul, but would award foul to both and ball to defense.

 

If you wave off AndOne as it now is, the penalty is favorably beneficial to D. Just doesn't seem equitable when refs disagree over call. IMO

 

Baseline ref called the initial blocking call and counted the and-1. Turned his back to sideline ref 60+ feet away and the refs had a conference. Asked both coaches to meet at midcourt to discuss call which was eventually changed. My question is how did the sideline ref see whether or not the defenders feet were in place to call the charge? And how does the sideline ref have power to overturn the baseline ref who was right infront of the play? Baseline ref made the correct call... killed Scotts momentum, obviously. poor officiating.

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baseline ref called the initial blocking call and counted the and-1. turned his back to sideline ref 60+ feet away and the refs had a conference. asked both coaches to meet at midcourt to discuss call which was eventually changed. my question is how did the sideline ref see whether or not the defenders feet were in place to call the charge? and how does the sideline ref have power to overturn the baseline ref who was right infront of the play? baseline ref made the correct call... killed Scotts momentum' date=' obviously. poor officiating.[/quote']

 

 

Why does the official have to see where the defender's feet were?

 

 

60 feet away? On an 84 feet court? He was at the other 3 point line?

Why does the official have to see where the defender's feet were?

 

Alright, cool, you got me on the 60 feet, good one. Let me rephrase "35 feet away". Lol, you missed my point.

 

I would assume from the angle that the ref was standing, his viewing angle was obstructed from calling an off-setting charge call. Contrary from the baseline ref who had a clear angle, in which he called a blocking foul. (Which was the right call by the way ....

 

Any more details?

Why does the official have to see where the defender's feet were?

 

Alright, cool, you got me on the 60 feet, good one. Let me rephrase "35 feet away". Lol, you missed my point.

 

I would assume from the angle that the ref was standing, his viewing angle was obstructed from calling an off-setting charge call. Contrary from the baseline ref who had a clear angle, in which he called a blocking foul. (Which was the right call by the way ....

 

Any more details?

 

Just a couple clarifications, the slot official, that you said was "60 ft away" is watching the drive to rim. He was actually 15' to 18' ft away from the play, I'll give you 20' if you count lateral angle, but certainly free throw line extended.

 

Feet being set has nothing to do with anything. Legal guarding position has everything to do with it. His angle is likely the best driving angle in the gym.

 

The baseline official would only pick up this play once it enters or crosses into his primary coverage area.

 

I wouldn't expect anyone to understand this. It's not about who is closest, but rather about areas of responsibility. Those areas overlap at times, in this case, point of impact becomes cross over.

 

Given that you were not on the court, I find it interesting to believe that you could definitively say that either call was correct….but as I have said before, you must have had a better angle than the two guys working……magical

Baseline ref called the initial blocking call and counted the and-1. Turned his back to sideline ref 60+ feet away and the refs had a conference. Asked both coaches to meet at midcourt to discuss call which was eventually changed. My question is how did the sideline ref see whether or not the defenders feet were in place to call the charge? And how does the sideline ref have power to overturn the baseline ref who was right infront of the play? Baseline ref made the correct call... killed Scotts momentum, obviously. poor officiating.

 

See post #80….and go find a rule book. You have no clue about anything. Thanks for playing

Why is everyone assuming this was the call for the lead (official under the basket)?

 

Where did Ohmer drive FROM? Wing?

Why is everyone assuming this was the call for the lead (official under the basket)?

 

Where did Ohmer drive FROM? Wing?

 

I'm wanting to say it was from the top of the key & not a wing.

I'm wanting to say it was from the top of the key & not a wing.

 

Thanks. So I'll ask again. Why are we assuming this was the lead's call?

 

What did they pre-game? What does the official's manual say about these types of drives?

I asked my better half what she thought the call should have been, and she said it could have went either way. But like me, she prefers fewer charge calls, so she decided on a blocking call.

The call is a BLARGE, as most referee's will call it. I was under the impression on a block/charge call that the bucket still counts however. May be wrong but I was under that impression. Did they take the points away? Most quality officials will meet about the call and let the lead official have the call, however some that are stubborn will not, so you have a charge and a block which results in both players getting fouls and alternate possession. Lead being the referee the ball is going towards.. Better view

It's not who has the better view; it's whose primary the infraction occurs in.

The call is a BLARGE, as most referee's will call it. I was under the impression on a block/charge call that the bucket still counts however. May be wrong but I was under that impression. Did they take the points away? Most quality officials will meet about the call and let the lead official have the call, however some that are stubborn will not, so you have a charge and a block which results in both players getting fouls and alternate possession. Lead being the referee the ball is going towards.. Better view

 

The basket can never be counted.

 

I know of no officials who will get together after a blarge has been called and then decide who was right. It's not allowed. Again, how would you explain it to the coach who comes out on the short end?

 

Ugly, I get it. Leaves a bad taste. Get that, too. However, the officials handled their error by the book which is all they're allowed to do.

It's not who has the better view; it's whose primary the infraction occurs in.

 

This has always been a sore point with me. If it is in a primary infraction area for one official should any other official blow their whistle to make any calls not in their primary infraction area?

This has always been a sore point with me. If it is in a primary infraction area for one official should any other official blow their whistle to make any calls not in their primary infraction area?

 

In a perfect world, no. But nobody's perfect.