Clyde Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 https://theintercept.com/2015/11/19/former-drone-operators-say-they-were-horrified-by-cruelty-of-assassination-program/ “We have seen the abuse firsthand,” said Bryant, “and we are horrified.”
capt278 Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 War is Hell. There will be collateral damage in any war. No way to avoid it other than not fighting. It's a sobering fact.
True blue (and gold) Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Targeting children as "fun sized terrorists" is not collateral damage. It's disgusting.
capt278 Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 I didn't read it as they were targeting children. They referred to those that had been killed as that. It's called black humor. It's a coping mechanism. Did you also read about the drug and alcohol use? That's how some of the operators were trying to cope with what they had done. Children dying is disgusting. I dislike it as much or more than anyone. It's still part of war. Most aspects of war are disgusting.
True blue (and gold) Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 From the article: Drone operators refer to children as “fun-size terrorists” and liken killing them to “cutting the grass before it grows too long,” said one of the operators, Michael Haas, a former senior airman in the Air Force.
capt278 Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 From the article: From the article: The deaths of children and other non-combatants in strikes was rationalized by many drone operators, Haas said. This sounds like collateral damage.
SportsGuy41017 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 From the article: That doesn't sound good at all. What also doesn't sound good are drone operators that are abusing drugs.
bballfamily Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 FYI. Military deaths WWII - 15,000,000 Civilian deaths WWII - 45,000,000
mcpapa Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 FYI. Military deaths WWII - 15,000,000 Civilian deaths WWII - 45,000,000 So, is that what we're shooting for?
Jumper_Dad Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 So, is that what we're shooting for? I think bbf is just pointing out what we know and sometimes don't put into perspective...war is an ugly business. The next war without collateral damage deaths will be the first one in history. That doesn't mean that everything that can be done to prevent them shouldn't be done, but it also doesn't mean our war fighters should be prosecuted as criminals when it does happen.
bballfamily Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 So, is that what we're shooting for? Having a bad day and cannot come up with anything better? Putting things into perspective. What is currently happening is nothing to what happened 70 years ago. No one wants anyone to die, but if you have fanatics that are out to get you, you must be prepared to fight and unfortunately innocents die in the process. You don't think that the Allied leadership, not counting Stalin, took into account potential civilian causalities? Yet, they went ahead with their battle plans, because they had a war to win. Good thing current thinking did not prevail with Allied leadership or the war would have been lost.
bballfamily Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 I think bbf is just pointing out what we know and sometimes don't put into perspective...war is an ugly business. The next war without collateral damage deaths will be the first one in history. That doesn't mean that everything that can be done to prevent them shouldn't be done, but it also doesn't mean our war fighters should be prosecuted as criminals when it does happen. You typed it in quicker than I did and you were more polite.
CBDV Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 So, is that what we're shooting for? We should be shooting for winning.
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